Author Topic: Bush Weighs Deploying Guard to U.S. Border (Read 2109 times)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #90 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:57:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Rotax447

So, has POTUS declared that unarmed Mexican citizens illegally entering our country are enemy combatants?

The armed gangs doing escort and smuggling would probably be considered combatants , yes.
SA has vowed to come across the border and do attacks. Combatants? Yes.
Armed Mexican military personel and vehicles crossing the border. Combatants? Yes.

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Has he given orders to our military to open fire on them?

I certainly hope the order to fire is given for those who are crossing illegaly that are armed.

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If not, then what is the point in sending combat troops to the border?

Mostly manpower and prevention. I wouldn`t say their main purpose would be as "combat troops". I certainly hope that in a combat situation that they are allowed to act accordingly though instead of being "watered down" and put in danger.
I`d suggest that a little time spent on the border after nightfall would change a lot of opinions. It`s a friggen battlefield in itself at times.

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Could someone tell me how many terrorist acts they have committed?

Noone knows what has crossed the border for certain. That is a main point.

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How many schools have they shot up?

There has been plenty of shooting by Mexican gangs .

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Start shooting them when they cross the border, and they sure will be. [/B]

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Start crossing over legaly instead of illegaly and there will not be a problem.
If you cross into our country armed and looking for a fight, I`m sure you can be accomodated.

lazs2 · « **Reply #91 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:19:41 AM »

ok rotax.. I admit it.... I can't solve the puzzle. I agree that our educational system needs to be wiped out and started over with vouchers (is that what you are saying?)

I also agree that we should not allow illegals access to our infrastucture but...

How would that stop them from access to crime and our criminal justice system? if they are a drain on police and courts and jails....

I would also agree that the border patrol should not be replaced by the national guard except in the most temporrary manner.

So... what is your solution?

lazs

Sandman · « **Reply #92 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:41:52 AM »

Let's annex Mexico and tax them all.

Westy · « **Reply #93 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:35:48 AM »

"eyeballing a 105mm howitzer now... self propelled, or towed? decisions, decisions."

Pssst . Don't call your local arms dealer via any phone for that stuff. "You know who" is listening in.

"Let's annex Mexico and tax them all"

Sheesh. If there was anything left worth taking, let alone taxing, they would have kept it back in 1848.

Although.... Would we get better airfare and services to Cancun and Cabo San Lucas?

Rotax447 · « **Reply #94 on:** May 17, 2006, 06:44:38 PM »

Lazs, in nineteen eighty six, Congress passed a law making it illegal to hire undocumented workers. Zoe Baird broke that law. She also broke a law which requires employers pay a FICA tax. She was fined $2900 for breaking those laws.

When the economic penalty for violating a law, is less than the cost of complying with the law, then don't be surprised when millions and millions of employers break the law.

lazs2 · « **Reply #95 on:** May 18, 2006, 08:34:31 AM »

rotax... I am familiar with the case. you will also note that klinton said that it was no big deal and that "everyone does it".... Also... she turned herself in and it was 1993... As I have said... no employers have been arrested since 1992 until this year I believe.

Also... at the time the fine was up to $250,000 and 10 years in prison.

I have said in several other threads tho that is not good enough... it needs to be a MANDATORY 1 year jail term for the first offense.

Do you suppose things might have taken a different turn in this country if that POS baird had done a year in prison?

rich employers will allways laugh at fines but not mandatory jail sentances... the roofing contractors and such will fold even easier...

The rich can find a fall guy for a fine if they bribe em but it is much harder to find someone who is willing to spend a year in prison for em.

lazs

Suave · « **Reply #96 on:** May 18, 2006, 03:12:02 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/immigration

Told ya. It's all about the $.

Just like the war on drugs, keep the focus on the supply and not the demand and uncle sam has himself a nice self perpetuating racket.

The tax dollars keep flowing and the agencies keep growing.

It's a win-win situation. Oh except for those who work for a living.

Suave · « **Reply #97 on:** May 18, 2006, 03:18:41 PM »

I'd also like to add that it's nice to see our military servicemen being used for political leverage.

Yeah it disrupts their lives and further erodes the state of the US Army, but hey it's for a noble cause.

Rotax447 · « **Reply #98 on:** May 18, 2006, 06:16:20 PM »

Lazs, that is the long and the short of it. The law is in place, the penalties for violating the law are in place, yet the federal government refuses to enforcing the law.

At the very least, this is nonfeasances. In my opinion, the actions of POTUS and the Senate now border on treason.

lazs2 · « **Reply #99 on:** May 19, 2006, 08:36:55 AM »

rotax... who is POTUS? is it a term for all the government since 1986?

The government is and has been in violation of the law. They should be enforcing the law against employers... Social security knows the number and place of employment of 99% of the illegals.. they have since the first one used a fake ID.

Bush recently said that if the employers are breaking the law then they should be punished.... that is probly the most any pres or politician has said on the subject since 1986.

Maybe we are all the POTUS since we all looked the other way too so long as it wasn't too bad...

Now... the "day without a leafblower" march and the constant media attention to the problem has galvanized us and we all jump to blame our favorite boogey man politician.... pretty easy too.... they are all guilty as hell. But so are we. The most guilty tho are those who hire illegals.

lazs

Suave · « **Reply #100 on:** May 19, 2006, 09:13:07 AM »

Show some respect Laz!

He says Potus instead of president like the rest of us civilians because he's in the secret service I bet. Or Tom Clancy fan club.

lazs2 · « **Reply #101 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:33:17 PM »

so it is a secret service term for president?

lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #102 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:36:27 PM »

Yup

President Of The United States

Flotus is First lady of....

lazs2 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:48:10 PM »

but..... I'm not in the secret service....

lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #104 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:55:25 PM »

You might be. It could be a secret.