Author Topic: My Tank Wish (Read 1386 times)

Airscrew · « **on:** May 16, 2006, 09:10:50 AM »

these are just some of the tanks I would like to see some day in AH
Information from World Encyclopedia of the Tank, Christopher Chant 2nd Edition
British tanks
Crusader III – up to 51mm frontal armor, 57mm gun, 2,800 fps, able to penetrate 81mm of armor at 500 yds. Variations include Cursader III AA anti-aircraft vehicle with one 40mm Bofors gun or with twin 20mm Oerlikon cannon.
Speed approx 28 mph

Cromwell IV – up to 76mm armor, 75mm gun, 2,030 fps, able to penetrate 68mm armor at 500 yds. Variations include Cromwell VI with 94mm howitzer, Cromwell VIII upgraded armor to 101mm.
Speed varies from 28 mph to 40mph depending on version

A34 Crusier Tank Comet – up to 101mm armor, 77mm gun, 2,600 fps, able to penetrate 109mm armor at a range of 500 yds
Speed approx 32mph

Churchill VI - up to 104mm armor, 75mm gun. 2,030 fps, penetrate 68mm armor at 500 yds. Several variations including Churchill V armed with 94mm howitzer and the Churchill VII with frontal armor up to 152mm and armed with 75mm gun

US tanks
M24 Chaffee – up to 38mm armor, 75mm gun, speed approx 34mph

M36 Gun Motor Carriage – 90mm anti-tank gun, open top, uses hull of M4 Sherman

M4A4 Sherman (also British as the Sherman VC Firefly) 76.2mm gun, upto 76mm armor, speed approx 22 mph

M26 Pershing – 90mm gun, upto 102mm armor, speed approx 30mph

Russian
T-34/85 – upto 75mm armor, 85mm gun, 2,625 fps and penetrate 102mm at 1,095 yds. speed approx 31 mph

KV-85 – upto 110mm armor, 85mm gun , same as T-34/85.
Speed approx 22 mph

IS-1, IS-2, or IS-3 – upto 120mm armor, 122mm gun, 2,559 fps, speed approx 22 mph

Hap · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2006, 02:25:25 PM »

~~hap~~

Brenjen · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2006, 02:36:29 PM »

I'm for those!....(and the panther)

ridley1 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:14:38 PM »

I'd just really like to see something out there in between the non-perk armour and the Tiger.

sharp8th · « **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2006, 04:41:43 PM »

benytree · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2006, 07:23:18 PM »

im in. i want to see new tanks.

Bad31st · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:06:16 PM »

great list (missing panther though

) I like to see any of them implemented

MOIL · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2006, 11:29:09 PM »

Excellent list there Airscrew:aok

Sakai · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:01:59 AM »

Sure, all good, but if we're to do an RPS we need an early war, or a crappy, tank. Something made by Italy or Japan, something that if you killed a MkIV in you'd get beaucoup perks . . .

Sakai

Airscrew · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:03:09 AM »

thanks for the

guys.

I intentionally left the Panther and King Tiger off my list because those get requested almost as often as the B-29

I also wanted to list out those tanks that I thought would be viable in AH against the Panzer and Tiger.

Sakai, even the best Italian and Japanese tanks would be toast in this game, I'll go get my book at lunch and look them up again but IIRC the Italian and Japanese tanks are similar in design to the M3 Stuart, lightly armored and lightly gunned, 40mm guns. Italy didnt have the resourse to build heavy tanks and Japan didnt think tanks would be useful in island campaigns. I dont think you could kill a Panzer with anything they had.

The IS series tanks would probably be perked, as would the M26.
I think the best all around tank for AH would be the A34 Crusier Tank Comet

Sakai · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:48:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
thanks for the guys.
Sakai, even the best Italian and Japanese tanks would be toast in this game, I'll go get my book at lunch and look them up again but IIRC the Italian and Japanese tanks are similar in design to the M3 Stuart, lightly armored and lightly gunned, 40mm guns. Italy didnt have the resourse to build heavy tanks and Japan didnt think tanks would be useful in island campaigns. I dont think you could kill a Panzer with anything they had.

Yes, as noted in my post, point being:

Early war armor often sucked and so those types make a decent surrogate while giving those nations armored representation.

Asking for "hangar queen" tanks is silly, I know, but some of us like historicity and challenge and when trotting out an RPS (TOD) we will need an early war/surrogate armored vehicle (although the M3, a tad fast though, makes a decent surrogate for late 30's to 1940 tanks).

It might be the only chance for a tank from those nations.

Sakai

Simaril · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:04:47 AM »

Exhaustive list!

But from a practical standpoint, I'd think the next step should be the T-34/85 (already have the chassis basically done). After that, a shoot and scoot Tank destroyer like the M-36 would add both vehicle variety and tactical interest.

Interesting thought about early war rides....has there been interest in scenarios with a GV component?

Airscrew · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2006, 12:07:52 PM »

I agree, although I like the Comet, the T-34/85 would be the logical choice for the next tank, because the basic chassis already exists, just add the KV-1 turent. but then that would make the existing T-34 in AH a hanger queen. I like the M-36 for the Tiger killing possibilities but with an open turent it would have a short life expectancy in the field.

I cant see where we would need early war tanks in AH, I think TOD/CT will primarily just be focused on the air war. they wouldnt be useful in the MA and just why too much work on those tanks just to have them for AvA or scenarios.

E25280 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2006, 03:05:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
Sakai, even the best Italian and Japanese tanks would be toast in this game, I'll go get my book at lunch and look them up again but IIRC the Italian and Japanese tanks are similar in design to the M3 Stuart, lightly armored and lightly gunned, 40mm guns. Italy didnt have the resourse to build heavy tanks and Japan didnt think tanks would be useful in island campaigns. I dont think you could kill a Panzer with anything they had.

I disagree. The 37mm gun on the M-8 in the game is the same as on the Stuart, and is capable of taking out a panzer. I am not entirely sure how the Italian 40mm gun would compare to the 37mm, perhaps a bit worse, but should still be good enough to knock out a panzer that gets too close.

Besides, if a jeep can be added, why not a weak tank or two?

And with a FULL set of tanks, a re-vamp of the vehicle ENYs would likely occur, and thus some of the weaker ones would not necessarily be hanger queens. Some people just enjoy the challenge of a higher ENY ride.

Regarding your list, I would disagree with the IS-3 - I don't think it ever made it to the front. The Pershing did, but I believe only one or two engagements, and only 300 or so were even in Europe on VE Day. That beats the requirement for some of the airplanes we have, but I think for vehicles we should ask a little more.

Airscrew · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2006, 06:45:22 PM »

well lets see

M3 Stuart came with 37mm M5 L/50 or the M6 L/55. My book shows the M5 had a velocity of 2545 fps and able to penetrate 48mm of armor at a range of 500 yards, and the M6 had a velocity of 2900 fps and able to penetrate 61mm of armor at 500 yards. Not all 37mm weapons are the same. I dont know right now the specs on the M8's 37mm gun.

I dont doubt the M8 can take out a Panzer but its probably got to be a lucky shot.