The P-51 is the most versatile plane in the game

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
At least he did'nt quit.

Neither did I putz.


ack-ack

[BBQ_Bob]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Neither did I putz.


ack-ack

Your easy.

[FiLtH]

But it doesnt turn well slow and that to me is a big factor when choosing planes. For the guy who wantsto escape its a great plane. For someone who likes to fight against better turning planes but still have a chance Id prefer an F4u.

[uvwpvW]

The Pony's wing didn't handle high AoA very well due to the laminar flow profile. Perhaps finally this has been modeled?

[Urchin]

Originally posted by SirLoin
When u select 4 gun option on P51 does it only load the weight of four machine guns(ammo weight excluded) ?

I'd have to assume it does, I know when you pick the 2 cannon option in the 190s it still shows the cannons in the artwork, but they aren't really there.

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by Pooface
tinman, mustang will win against the lgay. equal pilots, the only thing the lgay has going for it is higher flat out speed, only useful if you're a runtard, which doesnt do anything for you in a duel

I beg to differ ... just 98% that have ever flowen an La7 don't know how to handle it and the torque such an engine makes.
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But I'd say F4u or P47 is best all around.  More ord, more ammo, similar speeds and range, and both are nimble fighters in right hands.

[SirLoin]

Widewing..What about the Ta 152?...It seems to do quite well at turn fiting,not the dog everyone has been saying.

[kamilyun]

Originally posted by SlapShot
No better than an F6-F / F4U / P47-D40 / P-38-L ... the list goes on.

F6F PWNS all of those for deflection shooting, but I think it should be changed in an update.  The "stand up, look-over-the nose" view is awesome, but unrealistic.

The F4U I think is much worse than the 51 for deflection shooting...

[AquaShrimp]

We are delving into two different categories here.  The Main Arena has some different aspects to it that the Dueling Arena doesn't.  In the Main Arena, the P-51 gets to use its range, high altitude performance, dive ability, and excellent visibility.  In the Dueling Arena, these aspects are minimized.

Back to the La-7/P-51 debate.  The easiest way to get away from an La7 is to dive away from it.  It becomes very sluggish around 500mph.  This may offer a chance for the P-51 to reposition itself while the La7  is still struggling with compression.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by SirLoin
Widewing..What about the Ta 152?...It seems to do quite well at turn fiting,not the dog everyone has been saying.

SirLoin, in a genuine stall fight, the TA 152H is marginally better than the Mustangs, IF you can whoa it down enough to get its flaps out.

While the various 190s now are in equal or better than the P-51s in turn radius, they still suffer from the inability to get their flaps down until below 200 mph. This means having to either chop power while turning hard or just waiting for E to burn down while maneuvering. The second method is dangerous as the P-51s turn better clean than the 190s while able to get one notch of flaps at 400 mph, meaning that during the first part of a maneuver fight, the P-51s will have an advantage. Currently, P-51s get their best combination or balance of rate and radius with two notches of flaps.

Therefore, the 190s and the 152 must somehow survive long enough to burn down to speeds below 150 mph. Down around 130 mph, the A-5, and 152 have an advantage, with the D-9 being about equal. At any speed, the A-8 and F-8 are still outclassed in a turn fight with P-51s. In fact, clean, the 190F-8 has a larger turn radius than the B-26, and the A-20G out-turns any 190 unless the 190s can get full flaps out. Even then, only the A-5 has an advantage. Here is where the 190s can take advantage of their roll rate to rapid change lift vectors and gain angles.

For planes such as the 190s, P-51s and P-47s, you generally want to keep the fight from degrading into a turning contest.

My regards,

Widewing

[Nosara]

Bf-109 K4
one 30mm potatoe
pony...poof

[Widewing]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
We are delving into two different categories here.  The Main Arena has some different aspects to it that the Dueling Arena doesn't.  In the Main Arena, the P-51 gets to use its range, high altitude performance, dive ability, and excellent visibility.  In the Dueling Arena, these aspects are minimized.

Back to the La-7/P-51 debate.  The easiest way to get away from an La7 is to dive away from it.  It becomes very sluggish around 500mph.  This may offer a chance for the P-51 to reposition itself while the La7  is still struggling with compression.

Have you ever measured dive acceleration? I have, and the La-7's initial dive acceleration is notably faster than the P-51s. Diving away is not a solution. While the La-7 stiffens up at high speeds, it's not the result of compressibility, just stiffening elevators. This can be overcome by trim. You will gain nothing in a dive. When you level off you will have a faster (with twice the WEP duration), better climbing and more maneuverable fighter on your six and you will have few options remaining.

Come to the TA one night during the coming week and I'll be happy to show you how this comparison shakes out.

My regards,

Widewing

[wipass]

The P51 obtains a higher top speed than the LA7 at around 7 k, a high speed gradual climb to 7k is the only way to leave the LA7 behind.

The last FM changes sure porked this game. Take a F4U D or C, dial in a speed of 110 mph or so and watch it hover without flaps, seriously screwed.

wipass

[hogenbor]

You know what? I've been playing for 3.5 years, some months more than others. I've seen many FM updates and read the discussions on the boards with interest. Widewing always seem to get to the edge of the envelope in the TA (which is fine), but when I fly, I want to survive in the MA. Basically, I hardly even find myself in a situation where the more or less subtle nuances of the FM come into play.

I love the Mustang, always have done. The reason for this are clear and given at the start of this thread. But it is basically a runner. You have to rely on speed and energy retention to land kills, but it is woooonderful at that. I never use flaps in combat. NEVER! Deploying flaps means losing energy and losing energy means dying. Of course I have fought quite a number of one on one fights, even in the MA, but usually I won't get so far as to notice that the Niki has become more uber or the 109 has greatly improved near the stall. When flying/fighting them I already know their strengths and try to use them. Still, I think I would lose very duel with a vet though.

[FiLtH]

I dont fight many f4us that dont use flaps. Flaps is what make it so nice.