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Offline bozon

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« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2006, 10:38:52 AM »
If a pilot shoot an enemy plane and sees it hit the ground, they claim a kill.

Hence, pilot shoots the tank with his bang bangs - the tank hits the ground - pilot claim a kill.

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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2006, 10:52:34 AM »
Of course there will be exagerated claims. There always are, it's the fog of war. Looking back after the war & investigating is as inaccurate at times as the initial reports they are dismissing out of hand.

 It's like a "news" article I read about some scientists "hindcasting" (as opposed to forecasting) the strom that wrecked the SS Edmund Fitzfgerald, for years they have discounted the reports of enormous waves & hurricane force winds reported from the SS Arthur M Anderson which was only something like 7 miles from the Fitz when she sank.

 Now the super geniuses agree.
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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2006, 11:01:35 AM »
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how many handsomehunkes here left thinking SS was not a elite unit of nazi NSDAP and rudel  was not nazi
hands up
 

Why are you asking this? I haven't seen anyone claiming otherwise. What comes to SS and Rudel, there's nothing in these articles I would disagree with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel
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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2006, 11:12:58 AM »
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Originally posted by mora
Why are you asking this? I haven't seen anyone claiming otherwise. What comes to SS and Rudel, there's nothing in these articles I would disagree with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel



Hmmm from your first link.

"After humble beginnings as a protection unit for the NSDAP leadership"

If it walks like a duck ,talks like a duck.

My friend you have a duck.



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« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2006, 11:32:04 AM »
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LOL...OK, I have nothing against the Finns (best Rally drivers in the world) but do you notice they say they werent Nazi symathizers in WWII, yet they all jump in to defend a Nazi they perceive to be slighted?

Well I'm definately not defending nazis. Ramzey said that Rudel stats were incorrect because he's a liar, but he's not even willing to tell us what Rudel has been lying about. I've read his book and definately believe he was a nazi, but that doesn't have much to do with this issue.. Nazi = scum surely yes, but I still would like to see some kind of a reference.
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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2006, 11:37:31 AM »
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Hmmm from your first link.

"After humble beginnings as a protection unit for the NSDAP leadership"

If it walks like a duck ,talks like a duck.

My friend you have a duck.



Bronk

Huh? The text you are quoting is just the same what ramzey was saying, but a little more coherent.

I don't disagree with ramzey about SS or not necessarily even about Rudels kill record.
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2006, 11:40:07 AM »
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Why are you asking this? I haven't seen anyone claiming otherwise. What comes to SS and Rudel, there's nothing in these articles I would disagree with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel


I believe Bruno aka Wotan posted:

"I am not sure how you categorize who is a 'Nazi' but Rudel was never a member of the NSDAP. Technically, he wasn't a 'Nazi'. He was a member of the SS, Rudel held SS membership number 206913. In a document dated 9th October 1943, concerning Knight's Cross holders of the Allgemeine-SS, he held the rank of SS-Sturmmann. During the war Rudel would have been on the Allgemeine-SS 'inactive' list while serving with the LW. After the was Rudel was active in the 'Kameradenwerk' helping SS officers etc... He was also member of the post war 'Deutsche Reichspartei (DRP)' which was as 'right wing' as they come.

He was unapologetic about his service during WW2. He was well liked by the Nazi leaders, including Hitler"


Thus the claim for Finns defending Nazis.


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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2006, 11:45:45 AM »
Mora I can' argue his kills because I don't know enough about it.
I was using your links to argue Bruno's post about Rudel not being a Nazi.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2006, 11:52:47 AM »
Rudel was nuts! And a nazi too!

And a good shot :D
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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2006, 12:10:53 PM »
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Mora I can' argue his kills because I don't know enough about it.
I was using your links to argue Bruno's post about Rudel not being a Nazi.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Bronk

No problem. I don't know a lot about him myself, and that's why I was asking.
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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2006, 12:18:20 PM »
Well, at least in real life pilots could SEE the bloody things.

In the game you've got to be about 10X closer than RL for them to even get painted on the screen.
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2006, 12:23:28 PM »
Bruno never said Rudel was not a Nazi.

 All he did was just confirm a few facts about Rudel - he's wasn't "officially/technically" a member of the NAZI party.


 Ofcourse, the cute part of Bruno is that he just takes things too seriously :D  In this case, he should have considered our usage of the term "Nazi" not as someone  literally holding an official membership of the NSDAP, but rather a more generic term for German military/civilian officials who heavily sympathized and supported the NSDAP politics and way of thinking. :D
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2006, 12:25:02 PM »
See my duck comment Mr semantics. :D

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« Last Edit: May 22, 2006, 12:27:04 PM by Bronk »
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2006, 12:30:03 PM »
"the Finnish troops even trained stray dogs to eat under german tanks & then strapped explosives to them & turned them loose."

Really !! ?  I have never heard of that, that has to be 1 of the best ideas of the war, I wonder how they trained them to distinguish bad guy tanks from the good guys.
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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2006, 12:45:35 PM »
Well obviously it was Russians who did. I remember reading that it actually worked.
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