Author Topic: Anthrax Source (Read 1436 times)

funkedup · « **on:** October 25, 2001, 02:39:00 AM »

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011025/ts/attack_anthrax_source_dc_1.html

Well I'm pretty sure that it didn't come from two of the three countries. That leaves one. I have a feeling there is going to be some unfinished business completed after we are done with the Taliban and Bin Laden.

Eagler · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2001, 08:14:00 AM »

why wait? kick their arse now! The freakin afgan toejame could drag on for years...1st we have to feed them, then bomb them, then clean up our bombs, then feed them, then bomb them,then.... freakin ridiculous.

I think is definitive proof were to surface, I think we'd act immediately. Or at least I hope we would. I hope we would NOT send Powell around to every other nation asking them "Is it ok with you?", "How about you, is it ok with you & your country if we attack those that are killing our civilians?"

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Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:13:00 AM »

about 3 years ago (maybe lomger) a neo-nazi militia type was arrested while carrying anthrax and small pox in the trunk of his car in las vegas.

This was the second time he was arrested with having the stuff. He was arrested earlier when authorities found it in his home.

He got the stuff be forming a fraudulent research company and then ordering samples for "research" from several different companies.

They found liturature that had something to do with "weaponizing" the stuff. They also found formulas for tabun and sarin and some of the chemicals needed to develope them.

I forget most of the details but I'll do a search later. It was reported he was some kind a professor and kind of a una bomber type.

There are people in this country who if they could would repeat sept 11 and theres no doudt if they had bio/chem weapons they would use them.

We have plenty of reason to go after iraq lets not make up some more till we know.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:15:00 AM »

Wotan, I find that highly suscpicous since its globally known that the only two sources of Small pox left on the face of the earth are in a deep freezer at the CDC in Atlanta, and one sample in Moscow.

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »

heres a link to the nutbags story
more on the nutbag

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Wotan · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:25:00 AM »

it was bubonic plague i said i couldn't remember the details.

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was only relaying from memory. I'm not a big follower of killer biohazards..........

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Also I'm not saying it was homegrown more likely then not its iraq but I would hate to focus there and it turn up it was home grown.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »

no mention of small pox in that story. thankfully.

Wotan · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:47:00 AM »

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Even more simple to obtain - and even more toxic - is ricin, an extract of the castor bean plant. In 1995, four members of the Minnesota Patriots Council were convicted of conspiring to kill federal agents by smearing the deadly powder on doorknobs. They had accumulated enough ricin to murder 1,400 people.

my reference to tabun abd sarin was wrong as well.

The above incident was seperate from the anthrax deal.

See how rumors start

Dinger · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:52:00 AM »

Bah
yersinia pestis might be treatable with antibiotics, but it's still nasty. Bubonic Plague not so much (that's the "skin infection" variety -- 72 hours and 50% mortality if untreated), but certainly Pneumonic Plague (inhaled). Time from exposure to completion is 24 hours, with a 90 percent mortality rate. And it's highly contagious. Think of Anthrax that works faster and is easier to deliver (Anthrax is used as a weapon in part because it isn't contagious, so you can localize the effect -- an important consideration in warfare, but not as critical in terrorism). Sure, you can apply antibiotics if you catch it early enough, and if you have enough antibiotics in a region but the game is killing people before it's detected, and concentrating incidents to exceed the supply of antibiotics.

So for anthrax, killing a lot of people means weaponizing it and spraying it in crowded areas (not sending it through the mail). For yp, killing a lot of people means exposing a single person to the airborne form immediately before boarding a transpacific flight to a major US hub airport. By the time an outbreak is detected, thousands are already dead.

As for Iraq and Anthrax, I don't buy it. Sorry, the republicans have been looking for an excuse to go militarily after Iraq ever since Bush found himself lacking the testes to drive to Baghdad. Iraq could be behind it, but nothing concrete I've seen so far suggests that we're up against a particularly sophisticated germ warrior.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2001, 10:00:00 AM »

Dinger, until you or your family are dead, you'll probably think its a republican conspiracy. Let me be perfectly clear on this, these terrorists do not want to negotiate. They simply want you dead. Simple as that. We can do this diplomatically and put flowers in the gun barrels of the political leaders in countries such as Iraq and face even more innocent deaths in the Free world, or we can go in and squash this bug now. Its up to us.

Wotan · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2001, 10:02:00 AM »

good link

turns out that harris guy had a anthrax "vaccine" as he called it. It was inert and the fbi dropped charges related to the anthrax but charged him with wire fraud related to his obtaining the stuff.

The above the was interesting to me so I posted it.

Animal · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2001, 10:37:00 AM »

how deadly is small pox?

Kieran · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2001, 10:48:00 AM »

Smallpox and related diseases contributed to the deaths of 90% of the Native American population (in certain areas) in the Americas when Europeans first arrived. The Native Americans had no immunity.

Eagler · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2001, 11:23:00 AM »

and since no one here in the states has received a vaccine since 1972 (I think), it'd wipe us out.

Scary thought I've had is a muslim martyr infecting himself, walking/flying/busing around the general population infecting just about everyone he comes in contact with until he goes to see the wonderful Allah and his 72 virgins... it'd be worse than a low yield nuclear strike in many ways.

funkedup · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2001, 12:11:00 PM »

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Iraq could be behind it, but nothing concrete I've seen so far suggests that we're up against a particularly sophisticated germ warrior.

Ummm what part of the following are you having trouble reading?

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The anthrax spores that contaminated the air in a U.S. Senate office last week had been treated with a chemical additive so sophisticated that only Iraq, the former Soviet Union and the United States are thought to have been capable of making it, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence and a big Republican conspiracy. Sigh...