Real Pilots

[1Duke1]

Originally posted by mars01
Yeah people going from Flight Sim to Real deal are in much better shape than those that go in cold.

The only thing you have to watch for with the sim first guys, is they sometimes concentrate on the instruments more than outside.  And 80% of the Private is about learing the sight picture outside the window as well as the feel.

Yep....During my primary (T-34's) and intermediate training (T-2's) all instrument training started out in a sim before moving on to the aircraft. They didn't have visual sims.   In advanced (T-45's) 90% to everything was trained first in the sim (visual), then in the aircraft.

Hell....you had to have something like 20-25 simulator flights, and one is a ballbuster checkride, before your even allowed in the front seat of the Tomcat.

[Warspawn]

Originally posted by mars01
The only thing you have to watch for with the sim first guys, is they sometimes concentrate on the instruments more than outside.  And 80% of the Private is about learing the sight picture outside the window as well as the feel.

YES!~!  I get yelled at for that all the time.  Although I'm an ace "under the hood"   (It's something you wear on your head that makes you fly with instruments only, you can't see outside the plane...)

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by DAVENRINO
I have to agree with all the above.  I have maybe 14,000 hours in civil aircraft including gliders, floats, helicopters, corporate and heavy transport jets.  I still suck at dogfighting but I takeoff and land really well.

You gotta get outa the habit standard rate turns.

Actually, if you haven't been thru some sort of military training or actually seen the maneuvers/tactics from the seat its sometimes hard to imagine just what it is your trying to accomplish. All kinds a civil, a couple a years doing a lil training in the 72-100/200's and a lil A4M stuff here.

You can spend years in a sim dying all the time and never quite "get it" because the tactics have never been explained.

Oh yeah, shaking a screen to simulate stall buffet in a sim IMHO allows you to "feel" your eyeballs bounce around. LOL It's a pity that the force feedback crap was just that...crap. There is some guys that make a cockpit outa large pvc pipe that is tied to your stick movement. When you pull the stick the whole contraption pitches up some. Move stick right and your seat (and you) rolls to right. They haven't figured out yaw yet...I suppose you could begin to "feel" the movement somement but, alas, not the g's. I wonder what might happen if you got a bad case of the yanks when taking some unexpected hits from your 6. Could you backflip out the cockpit?

Ren
The Damned

[LEDPIG]

That's the thing that gets me about the sim, you can't look around and get a perfect sight picture. Plus to be a civilian pilot there's little aerobatics involved to get your private licsence. About the only thing somewhat aerobatic is, stalls unusual attitude training, which is really a joke. My instructors never seemed to put me in a serious situaton. When i was training for the instrument, i spent alot of time in a large simulator that sat in a room. The view was crap, it just had a small screen, but it was used mostly to practice instrument approaches. Most of these sim only pilot's beat me because i think they were bread on the computer, whereas i'm comparing it to real life, since i can't see like i'm used to, i get killed repeatedly. Like one of the other pilots said i can take off and land very well, but everything else is hard, i see i'm not alone:)

[LEDPIG]

Originally posted by 1Duke1
Yep....During my primary (T-34's) and intermediate training (T-2's) all instrument training started out in a sim before moving on to the aircraft. They didn't have visual sims.   In advanced (T-45's) 90% to everything was trained first in the sim (visual), then in the aircraft.

Hell....you had to have something like 20-25 simulator flights, and one is a ballbuster checkride, before your even allowed in the front seat of the Tomcat.

1Duke1 are you a tomcat pilot? I'd love to hear more about that and your feelings about the game?

[Murdr]

You have a squadie that is a falcon pilot

Edit: check your email

[-pjk--]

It depends...
I have been flying "real" about 14 years, last 10 years only aerobatics +check rides to keep PPL.
I have "never" had any  problems to  "fly"  WB1,10/AH/WW2OL. Feeling of  beeing on "air" is about there(sims). About 10years online, i still feel the hetic of dogfite/b&z/energyfite,you never get/want to do it in RL. I know it might be a "BIT" different  aspect to  to see"simulations" and how planes  should fly to people who have only gameperspecive ;-)) not  going to  write it right ;-). In RL you had /have only 1 life and in most cases hardly ever saw  a con/target.


happy hunting

PS 172  can do immelman about easy, all you  need is  speed

[Warspawn]

Originally posted by -pjk--


PS 172  can do immelman about easy, all you  need is  speed

Okies...I bet it can!  Although that would be close to Vne I bet?  Naw, prolly around 120kts it'll have enough juice to go over the top and roll level.  Definately not rated for it, lol...but that doesn't stop it from happening

We've switched to Diamonds 1/2-way through now.  Gotta tell ya, that DA-20 is a FUN plane after tooling around in 172's for a month.  Been in that and the -40 depending on the schedule; very nice starter a/c.  I should have my PPL in June, and then I start instrument...progressing after that to multi- and commercial.

[LEDPIG]

Good luck Warspawn!!:aok  Got my private and believe me the first few months alone with your licsence will be some of the happiest in your life:D

[NAVCAD]

Commercial, Instument, Flight Instructor:  Helicopter Rotorcraft, Single Engine Land, Multi-Engine Land.

Naval Aviator from 1987 to 1993.  Flew Commercially for 8 years flying mostly Helicopters but some Citation Jet time.  I started when I was 16 in a 152 aerobat.  Now unfortunately the only flying I get to do is in Ace's, and I SUCK in Ace's:)

I have nearly 4,000 hours total time, 400 Hrs actual Instrument and WAY too much OverWater time....LOL

For any of you who haven't gone up in a helicopter, I strongly suggest you do.  It is by far the MOST fun you will ever have with your clothes on!:)

NAVCAD

[NAVCAD]

1Duke1

When did you go through flight school?  I was at P-cola from Feb 88 to June 89.

NAVCAD

[Bucky73]

Before I got my license I spent alot of time playing flight sim's such as MS flight sim and it helped me ALOT. Although it doesn't give you the "real" feel in the seat of your pants it does familiarize you with the instruments, radio's and general airport procedure's. In my ground school class we had 15 and 4 of us spent time playing flight sim's before the class started and it was obvious that we were well ahead of those that didn't.

I only have about 530 hours in the air but, there is no question it is still the most gratifying thing I will ever do. AH is fun but, you can't replace the real thing.

Having said that those of you that have always wanted to get your license but just haven't made the time for it. DO IT, If a schmuck like me can do it you can too.  

You won't regret it.

Bucky73

[Iceman24]

just a 172 pilot here, got my private about 6-7 months ago, working on twin engine rating now

[tkor]

Several pilots in our squad, ledpig, including me with a private ticket, but I am not current with it. Too many other toys and our frequently crappy weather kept me from flying frequently enough to feel safe. Maybe someday if I sell the boat and move somewhere with better weather, I'll get current again.

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by NAVCAD
For any of you who haven't gone up in a helicopter, I strongly suggest you do.  It is by far the MOST fun you will ever have with your clothes on!:)

NAVCAD

I have to agree.  I have about 2500 helo in FH1100, BELL 206, HUGHES 500, and AUGUSTA 109 including 1000 hours volcano time at Mt. St. Helens.   I even got my CFII in the Augusta but never instructed in helos.