IL-2 puts others to shame. **OPINION ALERT**

[fscott]

I'm talking in reference to the graphics/fps issue.

The graphics engine is a groundbreaking endeavour.  This is one of the first sims I have flown that lets me run at 1280x1200x32 without a hiccup, WHILE having such amazing graphics.

Most sims that achieve high fps at this level have shortcomings in the graphic detail. Yet, IL-2 keeps the same high deatil level up close and far away.  

This is the first time I have seen trees modelled with 3 levels of texture maps... what a brilliant idea that looks fantastic.

Oleg is a genius.

[AKDejaVu]

Visually, nothing even comes close.

AKDejaVu

[Westy MOL]

cc. Just like when EAW and Janes WWII Fighters came out. No MMPOG could touch those two.
 AH and WB III have now caught up to those 1997-1998 sims (for the most part. some stuff MMPOG just cannot do that box sims can). I'm smiling while looking at IL2 and thinking of how great MMPOG will look in a few years.

 IL2 is stunning. But I miss having all real live human beings in the aircraft around me. As beautiful and nice as it is I don't think I'll be buying the box. Just as I passed on Op:Flashpoint.

 Westy

[Ripsnort]

..and like an athlete, you stay on top as long as your next race...

[DeeZCamp]

What if Il2 were to open up a dedicated sever(s) just like aces  


I think they COULD EASILY do it... They have amazed me so far... I think they could up their net code.. and take over the world.. hehe
 If thats thier goal.. but most likely not  

IF that does happen... OH yes... I would love to try it...

After flying around in IL2.. I  logged into aces... and kinda felt funny

I mean the graphics and immersiv factor of it all (il2) made aces feel nintedo like  

I think aces could have graphics like IL2 but maybe they dont hae the resources, time,technology, experience.. to do it?  idunno

<S> htc you guys are doing a Great job.. In now way am I saying your not trust me I love aces. Keep up the good work

[Possi]

I play with the Beta 32 Players online Dogfight,16 vs 16,i never see this on WB or AH.
There is sometime 50-200 Players online.But you never see all in a Dogfight,Massiv Dogfights in WB or AH just 5 vs 5 or 10 vs 10 or a bit more.
You can play Mission 16 Players, 8 vs 8 or 16 vs AI+Tanks+Bombers+big Groundwar(i love to see how German Tanks attack a City or Airport   )
So IL-2 have all better ,for what you need 200 Players online?  

[Westy MOL]

"What if .."

 Is just that, "what if".  For example "What if B17-II had multi-play?" Well IF it had it B17-II could have been a tremendously succedfull release. Or another, "what if AirWarrior4 comes out with all the features AW's always wanted?..."   Well, sorry, that one was mean  
 Many box sims have limited MP. IT's fun for those who like a small gathering of people to  fly and fight with.  Buyt I like flying with and against multitudes of folks not 8, 16, 32 players in small arenas. Small numbers feels like eating French quisine; it's a few "medallions" of this sprinkled liberally with two peices of parsley. And when I'm done it always leaves me hungry and wishing I'd gone Italian or America  

 Westy

[SOB]

Well, actually there were huge furballs going on in two different locations in the MA at the same time last night.  Each involving easily 20 planes per side.  Feel free to continue talking out your bellybutton tho' Possi...ooh, maybe you can talk about the 109s some more!


SOB

[miko2d]

Originally posted by Possi:
I play with the Beta 32 Players online Dogfight,16 vs 16,i never see this on WB or AH.
There is sometime 50-200 Players online.But you never see all in a Dogfight,Massiv Dogfights in WB or AH just 5 vs 5 or 10 vs 10 or a bit more.

 It is obvious to me that if those 32 Beta Il 2 players could for a while supress their righteous disgust over the flaws of HTC abomination and join Aces High for one mission, they would not have a problem arranging the same 16 vs 16 dogfight.

 Yet, despite much higher number of players in AH arena, it does not happen often. I think the problem must be with us - the AH players.
 There must be something in the game (subliminal influence, subconcious assocoations, etc.) that only attracts retards incapable of such cooperation or finding their way in virtual skies.
 I meant, would they have to put auto-takeoff in the game if we were capable pilots? Half of us are not even flying anymore but driving, sailing or <gasp> manning stationary shore baterries.

 So go away, Possi. Do not spill salt on our wounds by reminding us of our intellectual inferiority. We are born to crawl, not fly. But you still have hope! Run away to the shining skies of Il2 before you get as deranged as we are here. Let our suffering be a warning to the humanity.

 miko

[Possi]

Originally posted by Westy MOL:
"What if .."

 Is just that, "what if".  For example "What if B17-II had multi-play?" Well IF it had it B17-II could have been a tremendously succedfull release. Or another, "what if AirWarrior4 comes out with all the features AW's always wanted?..."   Well, sorry, that one was mean  
 Many box sims have limited MP. IT's fun for those who like a small gathering of people to  fly and fight with.  Buyt I like flying with and against multitudes of folks not 8, 16, 32 players in small arenas. Small numbers feels like eating French quisine; it's a few "medallions" of this sprinkled liberally with two peices of parsley. And when I'm done it always leaves me hungry and wishing I'd gone Italian or America  

 Westy

LOL big arenas,100 Players online,you fly a hour to see any one.I fly AH online,i know it  ;)There ist just take a Airfield or destroy a City, cool.
The big different is here,in Furball same many Planes and more AI.I make a Pulk with 16 HE-111 and 8 Yaks against them and 8 Bf109 against the Yaks, over the City where the German Tanks and Russian Tanks fighting on the Ground.
But the Big Point is the FM there in IL-2 more and more real as AH&WB.
I know you pay a lot of Money for AH.
So it must be the Best for you,i understand this really

[jihad]

The big different is here,in Furball same many Planes and more AI.I make a Pulk with 16 HE-111 and 8 Yaks against them and 8 Bf109 against the Yaks, over the City where the German Tanks and Russian Tanks fighting on the Ground.
But the Big Point is the FM there in IL-2 more and more real as AH&WB.

Thats fine if you LIKE fighting AI - I don't and never will, and 32 players sucks in comparison to 200+.

I can't wait until Oleg fixes the porked 109 FM, the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the IL-2 beta forum is already at a fever pitch over his last changes to it, I bet Posse throws down his pom poms and takes his ball home when it happens.  

Other than graphics AH is better and has NOTHING to worry about from IL2, until the FM hits NACA data it's just a Nintendo game pretending to be a flight sim.

Wheeeeee - my uber duber BF-109 is funnnnnn, I just point that spinny thing on the front at enemy planes pull the flamethrower trigger and they fall down.  

[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: jihad ]

[funkedup]

Possi - AH and WB both have a 32 plane limit for simultaneous graphics display.  So it's not even possible to have a fight with more than 32 planes in those games.

[popeye]

Are you sure about that funkedup?  I thought there was no such limit in AH.

[funkedup]

In WB you got a total of 32 planes and dots.  In AH you get an (apparently) unlimited number of dots plus 32 planes/vehicles/chutes.  

We discovered this during a memorial flyby a few months ago.  There were about 50 planes/vehicles/chutes on a field but sure enough, you could only see 32 of them at once, and the rest were shown as dots even though they were only a few hundred yards away.

[Thirdup]

XXX # of players in an arena does not in itself constitue immersion, btw (I think this may prove the flaw of WWIIO).

Not taking sides on the issue, but you have to look at it from several points of view.

But FWIW, I have seen AI that can be more challenging than alot of players <G>.