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Offline cav58d

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« on: May 26, 2006, 08:06:29 PM »
I say time and time again...The A-20 NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO UP WITHOUT ORDS...Currently the A-20 is a hangar queen when ords is disabled...This is wrong...8 forward firing MG's surely qualify this aircraft as a legit ground attack airplane...Now heres the PUNCH to my arguement...With the current set up the AR234, IL-2, JU-88, D3A and SBD are all aircraft able to be selected without ords!!!!!!!!!  Does anyone else not find this wrong????  Yea, the AR-234 was used for recon...Fine....The Il-2 has a 32mm or whatever size cannon...understandable...(but what differentiates (sp) the IL2 from the A-20 as an attacker without ords?  Is it just the cannon????)
Anyways...yea I understand the 234 and IL2....BUT the JU-88!!! And even more so the D3A and SBD!!!!  The D3a Has 2x50's and I believe 2x30's!...I dont even know what the D3A has but its not anything significant enough to categorize it has a legit attacker without ords!

HTC...Please just give a responce!  If it's no then fine...Case closed...But I think theres enough compelling arguements for your staff to atleast re-think this...

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2006, 08:58:53 PM »
Wouldn't that make the A20 a figher/bomber, not a bomber? Thus if the FH were down (the only reason you take a bomber from a capped field) you wouldn't get the A20 anywyas.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2006, 09:08:17 PM »
No...Does that make the IL2/AR234/D3A, JU, SBD Fighter Bombers?  Ofcourse not...Without ords the A-20 can Kill jeeps, m3's, m8's and turrett Osti's (pretty much kill)...Its 8 forward firing .50's make it a valid ground attack aircraft when ords is not available...
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2006, 12:37:41 AM »
RE-read your post again.  Have a beer or two.  Then google yourself silly.  


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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2006, 01:26:30 AM »
What he's saying is, if you can up bombers like the Il-2 with no ord, you should be able to take the A-20 as well.  And I agree.  However, I think you are beating your head against a wall cav.  You know as well as I do that HT reads the boards, the previous threads on this stayed up more than long enough to get the point across.  If someone wanted to respond they would have.  

Let it go before you get an ulcer lol.  Have a drink, relax, let go.  ;)
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Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2006, 11:28:21 AM »
As much as I hate to agree with S.O.A. on anything lately; I do. HTC has seen and digested the request I'm sure, who knows...it may even come out in the new release.

 I'll go & check the BETA & see if it's in that one ( elevator music playing ) nope; still doesn't have a "no load" loadout available. But like I said, who knows what the next version might deliver. Have those drinks.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2006, 11:34:18 AM »
There's another thread in Aircraft and Vehicles that says the A-20 was only available as a fighter in the night fighter version, the P-70.

Maybe HT is trying not to open a can of worms by offering it as fighter version for that reason.

After all we have had guys saying we shouldn't have the Mossie N.F. version for exactly that reason, i.e. they were night fighters, and we don't have night.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2006, 12:29:47 PM »
Im not requesting the A-20 to be a fighter though...Im simply looking for it to still be an attack aircraft without ords...The aircraft has got great armor, especially cockpit...Is a twin, great weapons package, views and maneuverability...Surely if the P-51B and the FM2, aircraft with 1/2 the guns and a fraction of the ammo can be flown as ground attack airplanes, then the powerful ground pounding A-20 should be able too...

And I had those beers and lost two jets and a tempest on landing last night 4am eastern lol
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2006, 12:59:51 PM »
So the IL-2, TBM, D3a, and SBD are fighters, Kev?
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2006, 01:00:53 PM »
OK so the Mossie should be available also without ord then?
After all our model is the FB (fighter/bomber) version. Not the AB (attack/bomber) version.

But how many FB Mossies actually left the airfield without ord? Very very few I would guess.

It would only open up a can of worms.

I would say put it in as the P-70 and give us one of the N.F. Mossies.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2006, 01:04:05 PM by Kev367th »
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2006, 01:07:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Stang
So the IL-2, TBM, D3a, and SBD are fighters, Kev?


Sorry Stang, I think I was editing as you posted.

No they aren't.

The A-20 was only available as a fighter as the P-70 night fighter.

I suppose this falls into the taking 50% fuel with drop tanks category.

If an aircraft usually left the field with ord, A-20, Mossie etc, then that should be a game requirement. Else there's no reason why you should require buffs to carry bombs either.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2006, 01:47:52 PM »
I dont get why everyone is calling this a "fighter"...It is what it is...A ground attack aircraft without ords...When the IL2 ups without ords its not considered a fighter...  All I want is the ability to up a heavily armoured twin aircraft with a great gun package to defend against 5/8th of the gv's that are currently in the game..

ATTACK! NOT FIGHTER! lol
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2006, 01:56:40 PM »
The SBD was pressed into ersatz fighter duty in the Solomons.

What I can see is a "heavy guns" loadout on the A20 and IL2 - extra ammo for the IL2 and maybe some external gunpacks on the A20.

Of course, this discussion would be moot if hangar damaged were reworked.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2006, 04:00:42 PM »
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Originally posted by cav58d
...  All I want is the ability to up a heavily armoured twin aircraft with a great gun package to defend against 5/8th of the gv's that are currently in the game..
BF 110G-2  :D
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2006, 04:20:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Krusty
Wouldn't that make the A20 a figher/bomber, not a bomber? Thus if the FH were down (the only reason you take a bomber from a capped field) you wouldn't get the A20 anywyas.


id think it would be a attacker/bomber
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