Author Topic: Mr A-20 (Read 1088 times)

scot12b · « **Reply #15 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:20:28 PM »

Mike you are right but you no the deal some people are never wrong Bro. It would be nice to take the A20 up like you can a IL2 and help take back a cap base but I would not hold my breath dude:noid

yayyyy · « **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:44:17 PM »

i think if the bomber hangers are down you should be able to up an A20 and pay like 10 points, 5 points if the field is being vulched.

no but really i would like to up the a20 ordless

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 27, 2006, 08:30:25 PM »

Quite personally I dont see the need to tie bombers to ord at all. Why should there be? I mean, all you are doing by tying bombers to their ords is making it so you can effectively keep all "bombers" on the ground without having to destroy the hangars. There is no such weakness for fighters (thank God). Taking out "ord" should mean just that. There is no "ord" available. It should have nothing to do with what planes can up from the field. Let them take up a B24 with no bombs. What is that going to do? Give the attacking fighters easier targets? lol

SuperDud · « **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2006, 08:39:45 PM »

The only reason I could see is to prevent bombers from upping as mobile ack platforms. I wouldn't mind that however, seeing how the vulchtards deserve it. It's much easier to knock out ord than BHs, so to kill the ord you've effectivley killed BHs.

cav58d · « **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2006, 09:44:00 PM »

Theres nothing easier than to kill a buff thats trying to up at a vulched field...........HTC PLEASE RESPOND! The community has proven over the past three times this thread has been brought up that they care about this issue...

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #20 on:** May 27, 2006, 10:42:24 PM »

I can see one good reason - the people who up 17's and 24's at bases under attack to soak off the attackers ammo and play ackstar. A20's don't fall into that category, though.

cav58d · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2006, 11:53:09 PM »

A buff with at the maximum 1 pilot, and 1 gunner is by no means an ack star in my opinion...If this was such a threat, why dont guys up 17's 24's or even the deadly 20mm equipped KI-67, drop ords on runway and proceed to roll and "ack star"...Its not a problem...

The A-20 without ords is a flaw that needs to be changed

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2006, 11:59:21 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
A buff with at the maximum 1 pilot, and 1 gunner is by no means an ack star in my opinion...If this was such a threat, why dont guys up 17's 24's or even the deadly 20mm equipped KI-67, drop ords on runway and proceed to roll and "ack star"...Its not a problem...

Is that an invitation?

Booz · « **Reply #23 on:** May 28, 2006, 06:16:20 AM »

pickle ord as you roll, voila

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #24 on:** May 28, 2006, 06:22:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Booz
pickle ord as you roll, voila

i think the issue is that cav wants to roll an A20 when ord is down.

Simaril · « **Reply #25 on:** May 28, 2006, 07:12:02 AM »

No answer IS an answer.

It means "no."

SuperDud · « **Reply #26 on:** May 28, 2006, 07:16:39 AM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
Theres nothing easier than to kill a buff thats trying to up at a vulched field..........

How about 3 or 4 guys all rolling at once in different directions? Me, Morph, Stang and hub did this once. Nothing easier to get up and kill vulchtards than upping in mass.

Don't get me wrong cav, I agree 100% with you about the A20. I was just answering SoA's question about why ord is tied to bombers.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #27 on:** May 28, 2006, 08:32:50 AM »

B-25s were used as fighters sometimes. They shot down Ju-52s and Japanese transports. In fact, I even have pictures of the B-25s shooting down planes with their nose guns.

Kev367th · « **Reply #28 on:** May 28, 2006, 08:42:19 AM »

Here's the way I look at it (applies to Mossie also) -

Was it usual for them to take-off without ord?

In the Mossies case a definate no, although Tse Tse version is the exception.

If it was usual for them to roll without ord, then give that option. If not then leave it as it is.

By removing the ord neccessity (if it was unusual to roll light) from the A-20 you are making it a P-70, a night fighter.
Same goes for the FB VI, by removing the ord necessity you'd be making it one of the NF's, another night fighter.

In that case why not just remove the ord necessity for buffs also.

As I said way at the start, it could open a big can of worms.

Waffle · « **Reply #29 on:** May 28, 2006, 01:40:22 PM »

You can roll a mossie in AH without any ord.