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Offline DoKGonZo

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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2006, 02:49:14 PM »
Harking back to a discussion a couple months ago: if FH damage wasn't digital (on and off), then this discussion would be moot. If you could always at least lift an ENY 40 fighter you wouldn't need to use an A20 for air defense.

Besides, the Val should be perked for being an Uber Turner anyway ... hehe.

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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2006, 08:12:37 PM »
Kev, I completely understand your argument.  Consider though, if you were at a base under attack, and you had a flight of B-17's fueled, crewed, and ready for takeoff (but still waiting for bombs to be loaded), would you leave them sit on the runway or would you chance taking them up and trust your gunners and the gunners of the other planes to give you cover?  There is your reason for rolling buffs without ord, even if they would not have normally done so.  Any plane becomes vulch defense when you have no ords and the FH are down.  And considering you can only have one gunner, and the guns wont work until they are a certain alt above the ground anyway, true bombers like the B17 and B24 and such wont be real popular anyway.  

My complaint is not necessarily that the A20 should be allowed to up without ord.  Its that ANY bomber should be able to, simply because loadouts are supposed to be player choice.  By forcing certain bombers to take ord you remove that choice.  Not only that, you effectively cancel out the need to kill the BH to prevent people from upping bombers.  The few that are available make absolutely no sense.  But beyond that, you can nullify the players choice to fly most bombers as base defense without destroying the BH.  Why even have BHs then?  Just saying.  The way its configured now is wrong IMO.

However, all that is moot.  Its quite obvious by now that whatever the reasoning (and I just have to assume there IS some reasoning behind it), HT is not interested in changing it right now.  Whether because it will change as part of a update to certain planes, or part of the beta (eventually); or perhaps there will be no change at all because the reason he has for it to be like it is, is good enough to leave it alone and we simply dont understand it.

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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2006, 08:28:39 PM »
Im sure glad HTC put all those man hours into our jeep
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2006, 09:30:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
You can roll a mossie in AH without any ord. :)


True, but like the old Spit IX our current Mossie is a mess -

a) Only the 1st batch of FB VI had flame dampers fitted at the factory, but these had NO rocket rails.
b) The second batch onwards had rocket rails, but NO flame dampers fitted.

Our has both.

Only reason to fit them at unit level was for night ops, we have no night, and as is well known the FB VI is more famous for it's low level DAYLIGHT raids.

As for no ord option - I don't agree with it.
a) Only Mossies to roll light on a regualr basis
 i) Tse Tse version
 ii) Ones on V1 chasing
 iii) NF versions

Ours doesnt fall into ANY of those categories.
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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2006, 12:16:18 PM »
Consequently, the bomb aimer was often replaced by additional forward-firing machine guns mounted in a faired-over nose. The A-20's heavy firepower, maneuverability, speed and bombload made it an ideal weapon for pinpoint strikes against aircraft, hangers, and supply dumps. In formation, their heavy forward firepower could overwhelm shipboard anti-aircraft defenses

taken from http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/a20-25.html

Soviet A-20s were used in just about every conceivable role, ranging from tactical support of armored units, to low-level strafers, to torpedo bombers.

The A-20 flew in all theaters of war and was a jack of all trades attack/bomber aircraft often providing strafing, ground attack and night harassment as needed. While not as capable as a B-25 or B-26 the Havoc was a true workhorse. -http://www.ww2guide.com/a20.shtml

The evidence and direct quotes are here....Im not going to bother with the night fighter stuff because thats not what I want...I simply want to be able 2 fly my A-20 without ords..It was done in WWII..Let me do it here
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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2006, 12:37:14 PM »
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Originally posted by Kev367th


Ours doesnt fall into ANY of those categories.



But's it's a mosquito!





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Im sure glad HTC put all those man hours into our jeep


You watch your arse. Or' I'll get a petition together  for a harley / with sidecar........  :D
« Last Edit: May 30, 2006, 12:39:51 PM by Waffle »

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« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2006, 01:02:12 PM »
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS


You watch your arse. Or' I'll get a petition together  for a harley / with sidecar........  :D



Where do you want my signature .:D


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