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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2006, 11:57:45 AM »
L-I-N-C-O-L-N

so, no.
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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2006, 12:01:45 PM »
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Rise again and do what? Same thing as last time,......................please.


I know, I know, sounds totally absurd. Bear in mind the 'south' ain't necessarily the CSA. It's the concept that a state, possessing a majority population that is in defiance of federal laws and policies may determine that it no longer desires to enforce federal laws that do not represent the will of it's citizens.

I doubt seriously that such a situation would or could devolve into a 'shooting' war.. I do however envision a states peaceable declaration that it no longer desires the attention of the Feds in their local affairs... and be able to do so constitutionaly.

No, I do not have a confederate flag and an easy-rider rifle rack equipped pickup truck. ;)
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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2006, 12:41:32 PM »
Why wouldn't it devolve into shooting? Afterall we're talking about extralegal political action. Large corperations trying to pull out of the state leaving towns unemployed. Transportation arteries blockaded to keep vital machinery, goods and equipment within state borders. The federal agencies would want to pull out their assets and infastructure. Conlfict would start first between seccessionists and loyalists within the state, police departments vs police departments etc. Then the USA would send federal forces to try to regain order.
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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2006, 12:45:20 PM »
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If Puerto Rico can't get a consensus on full independance, I find it hard to believe Hawaii or any state could.
Not arguing with that, just making a point about the hypothetical likelihood of conflict.
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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2006, 12:56:35 PM »
Going on a tangent, how much has the strategic importance of hawaii diminished, if at all?

To be honest I hadn't considered that when I blathered my first coment.
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2006, 12:56:50 PM »
I don't see any state attempting to secede anytime soon (within the next 50 years) unless there is some huge calamitous or otherwise life changing event. Should something happen that would make one or more states want to leave the union then I expect the union would likely not want them to leave for that same reason. Would there be war? Undoubtedly.
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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2006, 01:25:17 PM »
Maine would never leave.  What?  Give up federal dollars?  Then we'd have to, like, balance our budgets and stop floating bond issues every stinking year.

Plus, Canada wouldnt want us.  Once they cleaned out the malls, we'd all be forced to stop dropping our "R" 's ( c'ah, lobstah, etc) and use "Eh" instead.

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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2006, 01:31:53 PM »
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unless there is some huge calamitous or otherwise life changing event.


Isn't that how it always happens?
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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2006, 01:50:59 PM »
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Going on a tangent, how much has the strategic importance of hawaii diminished, if at all?

To be honest I hadn't considered that when I blathered my first coment.


If anything, Hawaii is even more important today than at any time since WWII.  New hunter Subs are coming in.  We have one of only 2 mothball fleets left (and we do have at least 1 serviceable carrier in that mothball fleet).  Pearl's shipyard beat the budget axe against what many felt was overwhelming competition on the east coast.  We are getting 10% of all the new F-22 Raptors the Air Force will employ in US defense.  We WILL have a new carrier task force based here within the next 5-6 years in probability, within 10 years guaranteed (as much as anything can be "guaranteed" by the military).  Barring a huge shift in political forces during that time, that is.  The missile range on Kauai is testing the newest anti-missile defense system, and finally getting acceptable results from land based interceptors.  Within the next few years Hawaii and Japan will be home to several clusters of these interceptors, designed to stop incoming ballistic missiles.  Hawaii has one of the Army's first operational Stryker units.  Hawaii will also be home to the Army's new .......... boats?  Designed to deliver troops and equipment at a slightly slower pace that gives them time for a proper breifing while enroute.  Supposed to be ready by late 2007 last I heard.  Course that can change.
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2006, 01:51:05 PM »
"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2006, 02:52:05 PM »
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L-I-N-C-O-L-N

so, no.

$!*#&%$! hooked on #%$*!* fonics, #!$!&%.
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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2006, 03:04:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Brenjen

 


What the heck did you say?
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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2006, 03:20:28 PM »
Rule 4
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« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2006, 03:20:33 PM »
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If anything, Hawaii is even more important today than at any time since WWII. Course that can change.


 Hawaii is vital to the defense of the Pacific & it's importance will likely only grow with the emergence of China as one of the worlds "blue water" navies. I fear Taiwan will be a hot topic in Hawaii once China decides it is time to take Taiwan back....and then there is the old tesion between N.Korea & Japan to watch also, yes the Pacific could get interesting in a flash.
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« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2006, 03:40:10 PM »
There will come a day when the American people will once again stand up towards the Two Party corrupt system, Corporate corruption, Taxes without representation... The rich get Richer and the Poorer get poorer. There is no longer a Middle Class.... We without are grasping onto life, Those that have look down their noses and smile.

The Poor are over taxed, the Rich run free. Life is not the remarks from someone in Hollywood. Ask a Teacher in Iowa what is life, ask a Nurse in Alabama what is life, ask a Single Mother in Michigan raising children what is life.  It is time for the poor sheep of this Country to take back what was rightfully yours, Freedom and the pursuit of Happiness.

You've been through enough already, They take and take until you have nothing left, then they take more. No more Religion discussed in schools... No Pledge of Alligence... it's now unheard of.

You pay taxes when you go to the store and buy food to live on yet your State makes you pay more Taxes at the end of the year based upon what you earned in a year.  "Hello"

Where are your hard earned money going to? What purpose do YOUR taxes serve?  Yet our Congress is willing to let illegal immigrants become American Citizens with a wave of a pen?

Stand up for your rights, stand up for your freedom, stand up for the Liberty that was granted upon you from many Americans behind you!

It's TIME we've said "I'm mad as Hell and I am NOT going to take it ANYMORE!!!!!"

Or lay there like lambs to the slaughter...

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FREE AMERICA!

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