Seccession of U.S. states from the union

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
Nice handwringing. I don't see a Constitutional amendment like this getting any traction whatsoever.

No but you will see it slowly chipped at.  The left is famous for it via the court system.  The left was going to kill gun rights the same way they are trying to kill privatized medicine.....the lawsuit.

Thankfully recent legislation did pass that made gun manufacturers not liable for their products usage (IE murders).  

Hell look at San Francisco if you don't beleive me.  The city made it illegal to own a handgun inside city limits.  If you don't think it's possible just sit back and watch it happen.

[lukster]

Most likely the elimination of guns will be gradual Toad. All the government has to do is eliminate the production of guns and ammo and wait for this generation to die. That and educate our kids that guns are inherently evil. I think they're well underway in that regard.

[lukster]

I see a secession being attempted due to a collapse in our economy and several resource rich states decide to throw off the burden of supporting the dependent states.

[Toad]

Originally posted by lukster
Most likely the elimination of guns will be gradual Toad. All the government has to do is eliminate the production of guns and ammo and wait for this generation to die. That and educate our kids that guns are inherently evil. I think they're well underway in that regard.

Well, a quote from Jefferson applies:

"I willingly acquiesce in the institutions of my country, perfect or imperfect, and think it a duty to leave their modifications to those who are to live under them and are to participate of the good or evil they may produce. The present generation has the same right of self-government which the past one has exercised for itself." --Thomas Jefferson to John Hampden Pleasants, 1824. ME 16:29

If our kids give up their guns by Constitutional amendment, that's their choice.

I'm not giving mine up until and unless they amend the Constitution. I'm confident that won't happen in my remaining lifetime.

So, if the forces of evil are patient they won't have to engage me.

[lukster]

They have to be patient. Those that would take your guns know full well that there are just too many like you to make it possible. Civil war won't be fought over guns alone imo. Oil shortages, unemployment, inflation, unbearable taxation, all of those could reach point where some popular politician rallies his his state to become independent.

[Toad]

Then I have nothing to worry about. I'll be pushing up daisies before they come for the guns, so I'll get in all the shooting/hunting I care to do.

Each generation faces it's own problems.

[Toad]

Oh, and BTW, it's Stoneman's cavalry came



Robbie Robertson wrote it, the lyrics are (although arguments remain in some areas like "mud" and "blood":

Lyrics for: The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
 
Virgil Caine is the name, and I served on the Danville train,
Til Stoneman's cavalry came and tore up the tracks again.
In the winter of '65, We were hungry, just barely alive.
By May the tenth, Richmond had fell, it's a time I remember, oh so well,

(Chorus)
The night they drove old Dixie down, and the bells were ringing,
The night they drove old Dixie down, and the people were singin'.
They went
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la,

Back with my wife in Tennessee, when one day she called to me,
"Virgil, quick, come see, there goes Robert E. Lee!"
Now I don't mind choppin' wood, and I don't care if the money's no good.
Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest,
But they should never have taken the very best.

(Chorus)

Like my father before me, I will work the land,
Like my brother above me, who took a rebel stand.
He was just eighteen, proud and brave,
But a Yankee laid him in his grave,
I swear by the mud below my feet,
You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat.
 

Great song; like the whole album, really. Had it on LP and 8-track.  

[Booz]

Another possibility some day might be the Hispanic majority in Texas voting for seccession.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Booz
Another possibility some day might be the Hispanic majority in Texas voting for seccession.

Or california, or mexico.  Hell with recent immigration reform talks they want to allow almost 100 million into this country for the next 10 years.  That's enough to swing more than a few votes in their favor.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Booz
Another possibility some day might be the Hispanic majority in Texas voting for seccession.

Maybe, if things are radically different from today. Thousands cross the border illegally to get away from the low paying jobs of Mexico. Not likely they'll want to change that anytime soon unless seceding gives them even higher paying jobs or good jobs and a more open border with Mexico.