Il-2... first impressions

[AKDejaVu]

Only calibers that high that I know of as a beta tester are the 12.7mm pods on the Mig-3. The P-39 has a pair? maybe, but also has rifle calibre so it's impossible to tell what is hitting unless you see the tracer colour.

P-39N should have 4 .50's right?  And the big gun in the nose.

AKDejaVu

[AKDejaVu]

Besides the .50's... watch what hitting something with the 20mm gun pods on the 109 does.  This reminds me of Warbirds on 20% lethality.

Some 10 20mm strikes later... the plane might go down.  The fighter.... from directly behind or high deflection.

AKDejaVu

[LLv34_Snefens]

The P39N has 4 .30 in wings and 2 .50 on cowling.

In the later versions (not included in demo) the low caliber wing guns are replaced with 2 0.50's.

[juzz]

Sorrow; it was a sustained turn - after alot of circles, the I-16 went from being on my 6 to my 12. I should think the I-16 would have absolutely no trouble out-turning(both rate and radius) the Bf 109G at low speed...

MG 151/20 does seem to be somewhat weak vs fighters - but it works wonders on the Li-2! Just sneak up under one and unload a burst into it's belly - KABOOM!  

[Fester']

akdjv

all altitudes speed etc are in meters and kilometers.

[Tuomio]

Edit: Deleted this for reasons i wont tell you..

[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: Tuomio ]

[-duma-]

Attacking a buff formation with the P39 is just too much fun. One Stuka lost a wing and corkscrewed right into his wingman; I flew straight between the two as they split apart (They didn't just explode, surprisingly). On another occasion a 109 reared up in front of me, I took a shot and removed the entire tail. Fantastic.  

I only wish the enemy AI was more improved at low level; I try to make enemy junkers crash-land but they tend to bail out at extreme low level. Would be nice too if pilots and gunners slumped when shot; they don't appear to at the moment, and IL-2 is the first sim where I really do think it'd be helpful to see such detail.

Oh, and for some good fun, try ground attack with 'bullet time' - [ slows down time and gives you a great view for some fantastic attacks.

[DeeZCamp]

Il2 simply rocks...  no comparison with gunnery to AH

Il2 is superior in this aspect.

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Yes, as snefens pointed out it's only 2x.50 cal. And a message from Oleg awhile ago when I asked during testing revealed that only ball ammo is modelled for the US .50 cal. At the time he couldn't verify if any other type was ever purchased by the soviet union.

About the 20mm, I can plaster quite a few into some planes (depending on how tough the plane is) but getting 20 hits without a kill would require the other guy having a lifeline to god.

Some of the really tough fighters can absorb up to 3 or 4 before suffering catastrophic damage but even 1 is probably knocked all the lift from the wing or tail area it hits.

Sorrow

[AKDejaVu]

It must be my gunnery

You have to do a "save as" on the link above.  This doesn't have a 20 hit survivor... but it does have 3 aircraft suffering no damage from very close 20mm hits.  One even takes 3 into one wing in a 90 degree angle and keeps going.

It seems the only real vulnerable place on these planes is the pilot.  Every plane I downed needed rounds to the cockpit to do it.

AKDejaVu

[Zigrat]

is there a way to squelch people on the bbs

usually i am pissed off by people who are wrong but at least i can tell they have a brain, they are just misguided and i can converse with them hoping to persuade them that they are incorrect

but this deezcamp guy is just an idiot, which is exponentially more irritating, since there is no way to ever convert him. plzzzzzzzz invent a squelch for the bbs.

[Russian]

AKDejaVu Give you Email, I'll send you trk. P39 vs 109. One hit, one kill with cannon.
SimFreak777@hotmail.com

[Eagler]

anyone else have a crooked gunsight on the german plane? the russian is ok but the 109 is offset to the left. reinstall & diff settings didn't help...

[AKDejaVu]

AKDejaVu Give you Email, I'll send you trk. P39 vs 109. One hit, one kill with cannon.
SimFreak777@hotmail.com

Were you flying the P-39 or the 109?

I can get 1 ping kills with the nose cannon of the 39 too.  Its... what... 37mm?  But I've also had it hit aircraft with no effect.

I've also had some low ping kills with a 109.  They are just few and far between.  And I always fly them with the 20mm gun pods.

Showing me footage of a 1 ping kill does nothing to disuade the fact that often times, the guns don't have much effect on the aircraft.

AKDejaVu

[Skuzzy]

lol Zigrat.  Don't let him get to you, or anyone for that matter.
After trolling/posting around various Usenet/BBS groups for the past 20+ years, I have found people fall into one of the following categories, or close to them.
1) Informative:  This person likes to share his/her wealth of knowledge and backs it up with data.
2) Speculative: This person likes to speculate based on data and project into the future.
3) Antagonist:  Only looking to irritate or antagonize fellow readers/posters.  Sometimes referred to as trolls.
4) Authoratative:  A person that posts with great exactness and backed up with data.
5) Opinionated:  A person that has a thought about anything posted and feels compelled to regurgitate that thought.
6) Passive:  A person that posts with many apologies as to not offend another poster.
7) Aggressive:  A person who actively looks to gain attention by flaming/baiting people into a response.  These can be trolls as well.
8) Complainer:  Someone who feels they must complain about everything or anything that is said.  All emotion, no data to back it.
9) Inept:  An inability to write what they really mean.  This could be a person with good motives, but they lack the ability to translate them into what they really mean via the written word.

These are what I call baseline poster types.  Most everyone fits into one or more of the above categories.  
Then there is what really drives a poster.  Some are purely driven by thier emotions, others are driven by logical thought processes and some mix it up.  When these two collide (emotion versus logic), they make for entertaining reading.

DZ is a master of provoking those with some baseline emotional drive.  His postings seem to attack the emotions of others and once he gets you hooked into that mode, he appears to continue to provoke as long as the audience responds with like postings.
I have no clue as to whether this is his intention or not, but it does appear that way.  
On the other hand, some people make absolute statements only assuming everyone would take them as personal opinion.  This could be the case as well.

Just remember Zigrat, the written word can only be inflammatory if you allow it to be that way.  

I realize this is off the original topic, but started typing it and found it interesting.  lol