is side equalization working?

[Bronk]

Kev
The only problem i would see in reducing the time is the perk jumpers.
If it could be coded in separately say 6 hour diff before you get perk for reset.

Other than that bring em both.


Bronk

[hubsonfire]

I would have to disagree with you, Alf. I have seen the side with the lower numbers reset the map. Not often, granted, but I've seen it a few times. That is cooperation and teamwork.

Having double the numbers and just steamrolling everyone, not through cooperation or planning, or multi squad raids, but just by having the biggest horde isn't really my idea of a behavior that should be rewarded, and that's mostly what I see anymore.

To paraphrase HT, Games are meant to be fun and fair; war is meant to be neither. This isn't war, this is a game, and all the other paying customers should be able to have some fun, too. A horde is a horde, but not having to face strictly late war planes does help in that respect.

[Stang]

Alf please explain to me how ENY prohibits squad operations and teamwork?  Does the evil ENY limiter keep you from planning missions and winging up with anyone esle?  

I need a good laugh, so make it good.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Stang
Alf please explain to me how ENY prohibits squad operations and teamwork?  Does the evil ENY limiter keep you from planning missions and winging up with anyone esle?  

I need a good laugh, so make it good.

HEHE

We cant up mass B-24s instead we have to use Ju88s and there defenceive guns suck.
We also cant us La7s  and must use La5s and we all know the 5 is not as good in the ho. Once again




Bronk

[richard_rd]

I have created and responded to a few posts on this subject in the past 3 - 4 months.

During prime time weekdays and weekends the knights are holding their own numbers wise and sometimes may have the most players on (but usually by no more then 10-20%).

But consistantly for the past 4 months and posibly longer the knights are heavely outmanned during non prime time (M-F 2:00 AM EDT to 11:00 AM EDT). Many times during this time frame it is typical to see numbers like:

Bish - 60
Rooks- 50
Knights -25

To make matters worse when this happens the bish and rook realise that if they both just fight a one front war against the knights then the Knights are easy pickins being outnumbers by ratio's like 110 players to 25.

ENY would help during times like this when the mis balanced ratios justify it, by at least taking the Spit16/LA7/Niki/P51D away from the hoarding masses, but the little known fact about the way Hitech implemented ENY is it will never kick in untill there are at least 200 players logged into the MA. So during non peak hours when the MA stays between 90 and 170 players most of the time the outnumbers Knights ( or whoevers turn it is to be outnumbered and slautered by the horde) never get a chance to have ENY try and help them.

*** My sugestion would be to let ENY kick in the MA when the ratios misbalance justifies it (as the current modeled ENY works), but to modify the minimum MA number rule from 200 players down to 100 players. That way at least the sidewith 20-30 players would have a chance!!!. The way it is now you just take cannons up the prettythang the nose and the sides all at the same time by the 110 to 25 player horde coming at you. ***

P.S. - I usually log in at least 100 hours a month and most of my playing time is during the non peak early morning hours I mentioned above, and i can definetely say that Knights have been on the low side of this Non-Peak time MA play for at least the last 4 months and probably longer. There may be an occasional non peak morning when we have close to even sides or a slight edge in numbers, but i would say 85% of the non-peak mornings for the past 4 months knights are definetrly heavely outnumbered and it would be nice if ENY was helping us then.

I am sure when the tide swings and rooks or bish are on the short side of the Non-Peak early morning side misbalance they would also appreciate help from the ENY system, but until Hitech changes the minimum MA players rule to something lower then 200 players (hopefully closer to 100) then the short sided side is always going to get steam rolled.


Rooks and Bish better hope Hitech does not change the ENY 200 player minimum rule because if he did you guys would never win another war. The only reason Knights loose the wars now is because during the Morning non-peak time horde attacks you guys take back all the bases and then some that we won from you the night befor when the numbers are more even!!!

[ALF]

Originally posted by Stang
Alf please explain to me how ENY prohibits squad operations and teamwork?  Does the evil ENY limiter keep you from planning missions and winging up with anyone esle?  

I need a good laugh, so make it good.

It doesnt prevent it, is discourages it....which in the end has the same effect.  Missions can and are destroyed and fragmented when you spend 10 minutes gathering enough participants, and at launch half of them get the ENY error, so you end up having wasted all that time, as most who get the error arnt going to bother trying to find alternate aircraft....and its an imperfect solution anyway as you now have planes with vastly differnt speed, climb and ranges.  

Next time, you dont bother making a mission, and if you try, noone wants to join because of the bad experience that had last time with it being a fuster cluck.


Take a look at the typical MA operation today vers 2 years ago.  

Today you have 1-2 massive furballs with a vulchfest being very common, and almost noone takes bases.....I havnt see a good in 3 weeks.  We have this massive map with all kinds of strategic planning in it, all for naught, as you may as well just play in a 25x25 mile box....thats whats happening anyway.

[Hoarach]

Flew knight today, I had trouble getting 15 scalps in my 38 against a hoarde 3 times the size.  After I started headed out for fuel, I still had 1000 rounds left of mg.  It was 6 knights vs about 20 bish.  Only 1 or 2 knights were shot down and the rest made it out.  1 died to puff ack and the other died to field ack.  Rest of us 4 made it out and landed.

So yes I know what its like to fly against superior numbers, its not hard if they all suck.

[FiLtH]

I like ENY not as an incentive to switch sides, but as a means to make less flown planes see some use. Im not going to jump ship just because I cant fly a certain plane though. Im in a squad and want to fly with them.If I was a lone wolf Id have no problems at all with it.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by ALF
It doesnt prevent it, is discourages it....which in the end has the same effect.  Missions can and are destroyed and fragmented when you spend 10 minutes gathering enough participants, and at launch half of them get the ENY error, so you end up having wasted all that time, as most who get the error arnt going to bother trying to find alternate aircraft....and its an imperfect solution anyway as you now have planes with vastly differnt speed, climb and ranges.  

Next time, you dont bother making a mission, and if you try, noone wants to join because of the bad experience that had last time with it being a fuster cluck.
 

That's not ENY, that's the mission planner's problem. That's equivalent to saying that allowing troops and ord to be porked discourages teamwork and organization.

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Flew knight today, I had trouble getting 15 scalps in my 38 against a hoarde 3 times the size.  After I started headed out for fuel, I still had 1000 rounds left of mg.  It was 6 knights vs about 20 bish.  Only 1 or 2 knights were shot down and the rest made it out.  1 died to puff ack and the other died to field ack.  Rest of us 4 made it out and landed.

So yes I know what its like to fly against superior numbers, its not hard if they all suck.

*no trouble

[Dastrdly]

That is what Ive been getting at! I fly alot of off hours myself. I agree totally that that is when ENY is needed the most. People butter it up but it sucks to know evey time u up its against a horde. Ive run out of ammo many times just cant land or escape the continuous onslaught & die at the hands of fresh 16s & LAs.

I also agree that 100 could be the magic number, it would definitely discourage ganging up on the low side during the late hours.

There are alot of late model planes that are under rated & i think some players would be suprised that they can be successful in something other than an LA, 16, etc.  Other than the Ki84 i fly nothing but late models. I can honestly say that it was ENY sanctions that forced me out of my box!

When it comes to missions ive tried to post some using late model planes & received poor interest - reviews. I think a mission of 110s, 88s & 109s have same chance as any mission full of spits, nikki's, 24s & other planes that would never of flown together. If its planned right ! Thats strategy!

If you ask me i think ENY sanctions would not be a loss.... it would bring more to the game for everybody!