israelis shell civilians again

[mrfish]

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli tanks rolled into Palestinian-controlled territory Sunday and pounded houses with artillery as they pursued gunmen who had opened fire on Israeli forces. One Palestinian was killed and 20 were injured in the firefight on Jerusalem's southern fringes.

Also late Sunday, Israeli tanks fired shells on the West Bank city of Tulkarem in response to shooting from the area on an army position, the army and Palestinian witnesses said. Eight Palestinians were wounded, one seriously, in the shelling,
Palestinian doctors said.

At least 20 Palestinians were hurt, according to the Beit Jalla hospital. The wounded included a 5-year-old boy seriously injured by shrapnel, and an 11-year-old girl with a patch over her eye and drops of dried blood on her blue-and-white school uniform. The Israeli army said one of its soldiers was lightly injured

Gilo is built on land Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 Mideast War and later declared part of Jerusalem.

Israel's army has made several brief incursions into Palestinian-controlled in the past month in response to Palestinian attacks. The advances have drawn sharp international criticism, and the Israelis withdrew Sunday after several hours, as they have in each previous instance.
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well - that's one way to capture a few hiding gunmen... just shell every house in the neighborhood, you're sure to get the right one eventually.

of course - you're also gonna hit mom and pop and janie and jr watchin tv and having diner but they are.....um - how'd mcveigh put it? "collateral damage"

glad to see our tax dollars supporting such noble people and giving them a carte blanche to shell civilian neighborhoods.  

[Dowding]

Nah, those Palestinian scum are used to it.

But if the Israelis are not careful, they'll push the Palestinians into forming some kind of guerilla movement bent on killing Jews of any kind.

But that's quite unlikely.

[funked]

It makes me want to puke.  

[Degas]

hmm

Maybe they should stop strapping C4 to their bellybutton and blowing up busloads of school children?

bah, what a useless subject

[Eagler]

neither is happy unless they are killing each other, let them go....

If they want to stop it, all they'd have to do is give each kid a 1.2Ghz AMD with cable modem and an AH account.   No one there to throw stones at that point.

But .... they'd rather tear down than build up. Fighting is fundamental!

Eagler

[Rooster]

Ya, it makes me want to puke also.  Fire their mortars from an apartment complex playground, then run like hell and return after the counterbattery fire is over. And hold up the little "martyrs" screaming "Look what you've done!"    

Have mercy on all their souls.

[miko2d]

 US bombed the cities. Our former presidential candidate participated in slaughtering a willagefull of civilians - hopefully unintentionally (meaning the slaughter of civilians was not their main objective).
 Occasionally civilians get hurt when police tries to apprehend people like McVeigh.

 BTW, he is not the one who came up with the term "collateral damage".

 And this damage is in no way collateral. The primary objective of the mortar team setting out in a residential area is not to significantly hurt the israelis, but to attract fire on the neighbourhood.
 That makes for nice international publicity and makes people not involved in guerilla warfare more likely to join.

 miko

[mrfish]

 

Originally posted by Rooster:
Ya, it makes me want to puke also.  Fire their mortars from an apartment complex playground, then run like hell and return after the counterbattery fire is over. And hold up the little "martyrs" screaming "Look what you've done!"    

Have mercy on all their souls.

yeah nothing worse than using guerilla tactics as a resistance fighter in a brutally occupied country. almost as cowardly as the french resistance in wwii, or the american revolutionary army after the declaration of independence, or the afgan rebels......i mean why dont they just march right into their guns in nice columns? - cowards, yeah the kids in those houses definitely deserved to be shelled.

[Sunchaser]

Well, mrfish, why don't you just go over there and sort those Isrealis out?

The Politics of war in the mideast is ridiculous but at  least the Isrealis only respond.
The Palestinian factions, for many reasons, attack innocents knowing a response will be made and then run to CNN when the toejam hits the fan.

As in any war civilains suffer and die.

The difference between those who suffer and die from calculated attacks to gain publicity and those who suffer and die in the response  makes my sympathies lean toward the former victims.

OK, just for arguments sake, say you kill my kid knowing full well I will try to kill you  for doing so.
Then you run to the place your kid is.

My kid died because that is what you set out to do, yours died because you hid behind him.

No sympathy for murderers hiding behind religion or politics here.

I do have sympathy for those they knowingly put in the line of fire but I for damned sure know that no response from the Isrealis would lead to open slaughter of the Jews.




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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?

[mrfish]

sunchaser - every palestinian 'attack' can be justified as a response to the occupation of their homeland. the palestinians are the ones reacting - reacting to the theft of their land. israel attacked first by taking their home

- the idea of retalliation depends on who you say started the problem right? who moved to the area from another part of the world - palestians or jews? you would call them the victim and the displaced natives the agressor?

[Udie]

How many Isreali civilians have been killed over the years by pshyco palestinian whackos?!?!?!  The palestinians are reaping what they have sown...


Udie

[Thud]

Tssk, been awhile since I saw a thread with so much extreme views from both opposing sides without any nuances. As almost always with conflicts both sides are responsible and take actions that they shouldn't take. But what do you all expect? The palestinians have been robbed of their land and have been put away in refugee camps from were they tried to fight back but where their women and children were massacred as well by their adversaries (Lebanon and the numerous air strikes on camps). They were betrayed by the Israeli government which signed the Oslo peace treaties and then withdrew all promises. They saw that the Israelis elected a violent, uncompromising warmonger of a moron (Sharon) when they could've elected someone as moderate and wise as Peres... Could you blame them for losing faith in the peace process?
On the other hand, the Israelis always have had to fight for their existence and saw their countrymen die at the hands of cowardly terrorist-attacks so can you blame them for firm responses to Palestinian violence....

Conclusion: It's as always, the moderate majority suffers for the violent actions of some extremists at both sides and the conflict goes on forever. Till both sides realize once again that dialogue is the only option and all extremists are put 6 ft. under there will never be peace...

[Staga]

Couple weeks ago the Israelians K/D ratio was 400/100.

Pretty good eh?

[Maverick]

Staga, Remember they are outnumbered more than 1500 to 100 and virtually surrounded.

Mav

[AG Sachsenberg]

 

Originally posted by Staga:
Couple weeks ago the Israelians K/D ratio was 400/100.

Pretty good eh?

Yes but is that with a +1 added on it? and are we considering the ditches/disco's as well?