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Offline TequilaChaser

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2006, 09:55:30 AM »
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FWIW I set all guns on all planes no matter what type they are or where they are mounted at 300. Set your guns at the range you normally shoot at, not for where they are mounted. I usually shoot at 300ish, and when I get a guy at 300 I want the guns to hit him HARD no matter what I'm flying.


same here, except set everything to 350 mostly......

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There is a problem in AH. When you change the distance for convergence it also changes the verticle "lob" the projectile has to take so it crosses the set convergence distance as it passes horizontal. What that means is, if you have your convergence set for 650 and you aim at a target that is 250 you could shoot above the target. Try it offline with the .target command and see what I mean.

I still say its pointless to set your convergence past the distance you most often pull the trigger no matter what plane you are in. Set your convergence for killing that immediate threat, not plinking at runners.


agreed as well, one can "in certian planes" learn the mental picture of hitting targets at a longer distance for plinking them and causing them to break or maneuver out of fear;)   just takes some gunnery practicing to get accustomed too..
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2006, 01:50:00 PM »
In the 109s (not including gondies and 109E), Mossie and P-38, I set convergence to 650.

Has a negligible effect on close-in shooting (rounds a little high, but no by much) and lets you really surprise peopel with those 800 yard sniper shots. :t
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2006, 04:12:34 PM »
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Wing-mounted .50 cal I'm usually between 275 and 300.


:confused: There is nothing in between :rofl
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2006, 04:51:52 PM »
am i right in thinking, that setting convergence also sets the vertical convergence on guns... so that setting it to 650 will make you shoot high at close ranges?
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2006, 06:00:30 PM »
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am i right in thinking, that setting convergence also sets the vertical convergence on guns... so that setting it to 650 will make you shoot high at close ranges?


Yeah, read 7 posts above you Pommie.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2006, 06:10:19 PM »
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Wolf, the guns in the 38 are not parallel. They DO converge. Just not so badly as wing-mounted guns.


Krusty,

The 38's guns are boresighted not to converge, but like Virgil said, all concentrate into a 30" circle, they actually also used to set for dispersion which the manual describes in some detail too for those pliots with "less than" gunnery skills.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2006, 07:05:23 PM »
here's my convergencecs

nose mounted gun: 400

wing mounted guns: 175-225

 262: 300

 163:  300

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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2006, 12:26:56 PM »
650 yards in the P-38s, and I'm getting about 20% hit rate.

Can't affect close-in shots too awful much. :D
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2006, 12:47:44 PM »
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Krusty,

The 38's guns are boresighted not to converge, but like Virgil said, all concentrate into a 30" circle, they actually also used to set for dispersion which the manual describes in some detail too for those pliots with "less than" gunnery skills.


If you had read the original post you would realize I was talking about inside AH. Inside AH they converge. As do the cowl guns on Fw190s, which in real life were parallel.
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2006, 02:23:44 PM »
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If you had read the original post you would realize I was talking about inside AH. Inside AH they converge. As do the cowl guns on Fw190s, which in real life were parallel.



No they do not converge in AH.



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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2006, 03:45:53 PM »
Are you so sure?

I set the convergence to 150 (minimum it would go) then fired a burst at a target 150 yards away. Then set it to 650 yards away and fired another burst.



Red = 150d Green = 640d

EDIT: aside from the random high ones, the green looks to spread out horizontally more than vertically.

EDIT: Hrm.. that might just be "spread".... I didn't try it set to 650 fired at 650....

Never mind, doesn't prove much.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2006, 04:11:18 PM by Krusty »
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2006, 06:30:03 PM »
Okay well I tested it at 150d, 300d, and 650d at both 150d convergence and 650d convergence (even made a graphic, but it's not really needed).

The scattering seems to be the same.

What I THOUGHT was convergence was the random scattering of the bullets when they are fired. When you have tracers on it appears that the rounds cross each other, but for the most part that's the random out-of-whack rounds, not the basic direction the gun is pointing.

So, guess I was wrong on that. The tracers are misleading. Good thing I don't use 'em that often.
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2006, 05:21:57 PM »
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If you had read the original post you would realize I was talking about inside AH. Inside AH they converge. As do the cowl guns on Fw190s, which in real life were parallel.


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Wolf, the guns in the 38 are not parallel. They DO converge. Just not so badly as wing-mounted guns.


Tell me where that says AH....  All it states is a blanket statement with regards to 38's.  You do not state anything with regards to "in AH".  As usual, you are playing "all knowing", and are wrong yet again.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2006, 08:45:34 PM »
The first post, bodhi, says:

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What are you guys setting your convergences for on your 38 guns and cannons, also any ideas tips on any other planes Thanks Ledpi


What the hell do you think he's talking about? I don't care if you are trying to pick a fight with me. This is the last post I'm making on the subject.
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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2006, 12:28:38 PM »
Krusty,

I am not picking anything with you, just tired of your "know-it-all" attitude.
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