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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2001, 08:48:00 AM »
(Sets up grill, plunks down cooler of cold ones, opens for business.)

Great thread! Keep it going! I'll be able to retire on the profits from this little hot dog stand.

So far, some incredible BS is flying around, slung by all sides.

Look out! Incoming! SPLAT!!

(Note to self, better get a good umbrella up fast.)

 
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2001, 08:55:00 AM »
 
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So far, some incredible BS is flying around, slung by all sides.

Do us all a favour, Toad, and descend from your ivory tower (complete with aforementioned hot-dog stand) and point out to us mere mortals the error of our ways?

Please?

And I promise never to criticise any kind of film industry you happen to set-up afterwards.

Did I mention I'm willing to grovel? Thanks, oh great one.

 
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2001, 08:56:00 AM »
Let's take a quick side step for a minute and try a "thought" experiment. Let's say that Hitler and his allies overran the "free" world.

How would that have played out fifty years later?

Let's see the citizens in the U.S., U.K. and other countries would be groaning under the fiscal yoke of a bloated, corrupt, fascist regime; a government that controlled the media and pried into the private life of its citizens through satellite and electronic eavesdropping and by placing cameras on every street corner.

We'd have a totally corrupt 3rd world legal system where money determines innocence and thirteen year old children are tried as adults.

We'd have state sponsored killing of minority and retarded citizens.

Whoa.

We have this scenario now!

Never mind.  

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2001, 09:01:00 AM »
Smut, the Lend Lease act was not passed until March 41. Prior to that date, all supplies Britain recieved had to be paid for in advance, in US dollars or gold. No credit.

Lend Lease ws only instituted after Britain had already used almost all it's gold and dollar reserves. That provided a huge boost to the US economy. Perhaps American's should kiss Britain's arse for saving their economy too?

Britain bought a lot of fuel from America, but also got a lot from the Carribean, Dutch East Indies, Middle East etc.

Smut, I do know my history. Perhaps you and Sachsenberg could go and learn some world history, then perhaps you may stop attributing all the achievements of various countries in WW2 solely to the US.

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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2001, 09:05:00 AM »
Nah, Dowding, I'm sitting this one out My day to wash the marble floors in the tower; Mother's Day and all.  

I've watched (and participated in a few of) these "did not" - "did too" threads for nearly two years.

Nothing is ever solved, no one changes their initial opinion. So... might as well sell some dogs and suds.

However, I do enjoy some of the "fractured fairy-tales" that result (those of you who watched Rocky & Bullwinkle as kids will know this reference).

So, please continue.  
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2001, 09:36:00 AM »
Udie, hard to forget about all the US nukes aimed at my home city...

From what mr. Bush said I understand they still are.

And please, don't forget that US fought in WWII for it's own political and economical benefit, not for independance or even the very existance of it's people...

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2001, 09:48:00 AM »
the fact is Britain declared war on Germany and didn't have the sack to back it up.  

in north Africa they did ok against the Italians     but after d-day the fact was the us had to hold up its advance so they wouldn't embarrass the brits.  

on your knees tea sippers give thanks and praise to good 'ole uncle sam  

the last Brit general even worth a crap was Wellington and even he struggled to defeat a broken Napolean  

Seriously though the Soviet Union had more to do with the defeat of Germany then any one else. Ami and tommy casualties combined  did not come close to the losses the Soviets had during Stalingrad. The Soviet drive would not have stopped. The ami tommy invasion in France only hastened the inevitable. After 42 ww2 ceased to be a war of Nazi aggression and turned to a war to defend Europe from the red menace. US English involvement ensured at least not all of Europe would be handed to the Soviets. As for sacrifice whether they were "forced" to fight the Soviets paid the price for the allied victory.

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2001, 09:51:00 AM »
 
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Smut, I do know my history. Perhaps you and Sachsenberg could go and learn some world history, then perhaps you may stop attributing all the achievements of various countries in WW2 solely to the US.

LOL dude, where did I say anything like that? The allied victory was a team effort.

In fact it was you that said:

 
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Without the US the war would have lasted longer, and more people would have died. The end result would have been the same.

This is what I was responding to.

Doubtful, IMHO. The Brits were certainly in no position to invade the the continent, and never would have been able to on thier own. Without US material and support, North Africa would have been lost. Even Monty admitted that.

Perhaps Hitler would have eventually been defeated by the Soviet Union. However, without the US England would have slowly starved to death. Indeed, England was still starving for years after the war, and they were on the winning side!

Remember the U-boats? How were they defeated dude? By the Royal Navy, in ships built solely in England? How many ships were built in England during the course of the entire war...hmmmm?

With England bottled up, Hitler could have concentrated more on the USSR, and most likely Moscow would have fallen. Consider that had that happened, the Japanese were prepared to invade from the east, possible even delaying Pearl Harbor...certainly changing the course of the war in the Pacific.

How would Japan have been defeated without the US? Or Italy, for that matter?

No matter. If you honestly believe WW2 could have been won by the allies without US involvement, than there is no point debating you...because you aren't living in the real world.

-Smut


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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2001, 10:12:00 AM »
LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD again eh ?

get a life AG

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2001, 10:28:00 AM »
Toad - hehehe, you have a point. But I can't seem to stop being sucked in by these troll-merchants.  

Wotan, you are yankee scum and you're opinion isn't worth a brass farthing. How dare you pour scorn on the Iron Duke - he was the greatest general the world has ever seen!  

He defeated about 15,000 French heavy cavalry and the Imperial Guard (regarded as the toughest and most disciplined troops in he world at the time), all in one day!!. And god needed 7 days to create the Earth!  

But I don't think enough credit is given to his right-hand man, Richard Sharpe. Bernard Cornwell details his exploits against the French in about 20 volumes of a truly monumental historic work.  
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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »
Sturmp, Piss off...... clear enough fer ya ?

Poeple with brains the size of yours should shut up, once & for all...

[edited out] => extremely bad mood yesterday, sorry'bout that  

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2001, 11:13:00 AM »
if you think that without the united states in the war the allies still would have won you are smoking some pretty good crack


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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2001, 11:29:00 AM »
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
If you brag about your "accomplishments" (regardless of whether they exist) and demand that everyone praise you for them, nobody will.

Personally, I agree with Sturm.  Don't be fooled by the history books -- We won that war; we are at the moment the only economic and military superpower in the world.  The problem with those amazinhunks from the other piddling countries in the world is that they're not subservient enough to us.

Why the hell do you think the Statue of Liberty exists?  To show those silly Old-worlders exactly WHERE ON THE MAP is MAN CAN BREATHE THE AIR OF FREEDOM!  No hidebound Old World country would even dream of making such a thing!

You don't like Hollywood?  Stick it up your pretentious little Euro-noses!  Cinema and culture are antithetical, it's time you pompous old-world gasbags realized that movies exist to make money, not dull bourgeois intellectualizing chit-chat over some gawd-awful mess of organ meat and grape juice!
You want to have a dinner conversation?  Talk about our latest American TV programs, like Big Brother! And stop calling it dinner, dammit! It's "McMeal", you  snobs!
Pearl Harbor (and not Harbour you sniveling little limeys who think you're better because you spell American differently!) will be an Awesome movie! Just like Titanic made a love story out of a disaster, and showed how America killed that silly European class system to make US the only TRUE LAND OF THE FREE!  Pearl Harbor will kick ASS! (not Arse, sneezebags)  It'll show how a dastardly act awoke a sleeping giant, and called America to its Divine Mission of Saving the World, and securing Peace and Freedom for ALL.  They'll also be a love story.
The movie's gonna blow the doors off Cinecite' faster than a Corsican bomb!  Yet the bloated European socialist states will bemoan it as a "disaster to culture" and pour more money down the toilet making dismal little black and white "films" about the neuroses of railway workers in the 1970s!  Can you believe that? Instead of thanking us for a poignant reminder of where Freedom was born, Equality comes from, and Brotherly Love, they'll be squeaking and hawing about the death of culture.  And WE even go to the trouble to put these great movies in THEIR language!  Come on guys! there ain't enough black shirts and Gitanes in the world to make your so-called "Culture" succeed!


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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2001, 11:39:00 AM »
I though that was a bit much even for Sturm.

Seems to me the war was fought by several countries and all of them paid thier dues.  I think that your retoric Sturm is disgusting and does nothing but dishonor those who fought and died.

Did the USA make a difference...Hell yeah!  Did they save the world single handed......Hell no!  

 

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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »
Agreed Skernsk.

Sturmie seems a little quiet. His next post (if there is one) is likely to reveal that he was actually 'joking' and that we should all lighten up.

He'll probably include a fair number of these:  
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