Author Topic: Why Haditha matters ? (Read 971 times)

AlGorithm · « **Reply #30 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:52:10 AM »

Interesting flash video here;

http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Bareknucklepoliticscom_EXCLUSIVE_10122.html

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Sixpence wrote;
You are hinting that this is policy? I find it hard to believe that soldiers like Pat Tillman would kill civilians to send a message. I know marines would be loud and vocal if given such a dishonorable command.

They have been put in a situation where everyone is a potential threat. The 8 year old kid sitting on a pile of rubble could be a spotter for an insurgent with an IED. Every car that isn't an SUV or HUMV could be a carbomb.

Imagine being surrounded by lions every time you leave your house. You'll get a little trigger happy too.

We get back to the question of exit strategy. We have the ability to invade and conquer, but not to occupy a country with a hostile populace. Didn't they learn anything in Viet Nam or Somalia?

The administration lied to the public and congress about WMD to get approval to invade. They lied to the military about resources available. They lied to everyone about the "welcome" we would receive from the Iraqi populace.

Now we're 3 years into an occupation for what reason? Why are we still occupying Iraq? If it's strategic positioning for strikes on Syria or Iran, then get on with it! The longer we sit, the more organized the opposition gets, and the more vulnerable we are to attacks from the flanks or rear.

It's becoming the same kind of war Viet Nam was... an excuse to throw money at defense contractors who give the politicians a nice cut.

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There is a reason they say war is hell, that's what it is, these are the things that happen. Considering the ruthlessness of the enemy, I say our young men have handled themselves very well. God bless them.

These are the things that happen with a mismanaged war. Our whole military doctrine has been based on leveraging our ability to strike the enemy while denying the enemy the opportunity to strike back. We've spent trillions of dollars developing the technology and resources to do this, and the clowns in DC can't even get honest with themselves long enough make proper use of it.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 05, 2006, 04:44:22 PM »

Now, on top of everything else, we get morons like this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2142896/?GT1=8295

"Let the Iraqis hold the Haditha trials"

People like this really burn me up.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #32 on:** June 05, 2006, 05:19:08 PM »

What dumbfounds me is the fact that we are still discussing this as if it won't be taken care of.....IT WILL. What angers me is Haditha and Abu Garihb keep getting brough up as if they are the norm for our troops over there when in fact it is the norm for the enemy we fight.

john9001 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 05, 2006, 06:59:29 PM »

today the terrorists dragged 21 iraqis from vans and executed them, where is the outrage? where is the UN?, where is amnesty international? where are the Europeans that condemn the USA?

where is murtha to call for a investigation?\

the only iraq deaths that matter are the ones that die from American solders, ignore the iraqs that are killed by the terrorists.

hypocrites

Timofei · « **Reply #34 on:** June 06, 2006, 12:22:08 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
today the terrorists dragged 21 iraqis from vans and executed them, where is the outrage? where is the UN?, where is amnesty international? where are the Europeans that condemn the USA?

where is murtha to call for a investigation?

They're terrorists. We know they're bad. We're supposed to be the good guys. That means we get held to a higher standard.

And the terrorists don't act in our name, using our tax dollars. That gives us a responsibility to speak up. And lastly, we've assumed that all civilized people condemn barbarity and brutality, which is we we've assumed that you all on the Right know that we hate torture and slaughter.

You're proving that we were wrong on both counts: You don't assume we condemn barbarity. That's because, when it's done by your guys, you choose to attack those who condemn it -- and avoid any criticism of those who should be held most accountable.

You and the rest of your Bush-defending pals need to go home and take an ethics class. This kind of argument is shameful. In fact, I'll go a step further: It's un-American. Our national identity is based on holding ourselves, and our country, to the highest moral standard on Earth.

And that -- rather than this kind of slippery rationalizing -- is true patriotism

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 06, 2006, 01:18:07 AM »

Who are you to say your "morals" are better than anyone else's Mr High and Mighty?

How dare you compare yourself with your nose in the air and your head in the clouds to men who have been thrown (willing or not) into the heat of combat, and come out the other side?

Are you saying you never failed to live up to your own standards?

Our armed forces are held to the HIGHEST standards of any military force in the world. Period. Guess what? They fail sometimes. Because, like us, they are imperfect HUMAN BEINGS. We all fall short of our ideals. And trust me, whether Haditha happened like the media is presenting it, or something else entirely went down, there are men over there right now who will answer for it, and be held accountable.

What worries me is not that no-one will be held to answer for this, but that the RIGHT people might not be; just whoever is politically expedient.

Nobody here has tried to justify ANYTHING. Nobody in the military has tried to justify it. Nobody ANYWHERE has tried to justify it. A few have tried to EXPLAIN it, to try to put into words a vague sense of what its like there, to try to help people understand how it COULD happen. No one has yet explained what DID happen.

Withold your judgements please. Not only are they premature, you're blowing the needle out of the self righteous-meter.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 06, 2006, 08:37:36 AM »

timofei talking about our national identity.... LOL... how many times have you had to change your handle here?

lazs

Stringer · « **Reply #37 on:** June 06, 2006, 09:41:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
I thought we left because we finally got a repub in the wh and he realized there was no oil in nam ... that's the only reason republicans wage war right?

I've heard a rumor that the republicans also wage war over WMD's, but since none have been located it is still an unconfirmed rumor.

john9001 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 06, 2006, 09:50:06 AM »

there are only winners and losers in war, "good guys" and "bad guys" are a game children play.

BluKitty · « **Reply #39 on:** June 06, 2006, 12:53:17 PM »

Yet another "We told you so" From the anti-war crowd.....

Wow we've had alot of them this war (rollseyes)

We told 'you' so.....This is War, We told 'you' not to go.... even Sun Tzu would call 'you' a fool on this one.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 06, 2006, 01:33:01 PM »

And the kid who was abused by his parents, gets picked on in school, then decides to return the favor and wipes out classmates can get a free pass because...well...he just snapped?

You wouldn't try to save that kids punishment, and shouldn't defend these guys either if they get cinvicted. it's clear something happened, someone lied, and if it's been proven in a court, the USMC would need to come clean so the 99% of the honorable men and women over there don't get the fallout.