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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2006, 09:46:17 PM »
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LOL!

I can just imagine you in your attack mode if I ever posted anything as idiotic as....


You've got a very robust imagination.

Why don't y'all try and make specific arguments or something? Even my patience wears thin from time to time.

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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2006, 09:47:24 PM »
Can we stay on topic?

Drifty is a moron. That's the topic.

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« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2006, 09:48:20 PM »
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You've got a very robust imagination.

Why don't y'all try and make specific arguments or something? Even my patience wears thin from time to time.


sounds like good advice for drifty.

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« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2006, 09:52:44 PM »
Well, Nash... maybe you just had to be alive and in the service then.

"Mr. Nixon's War" was an oft repeated phrase when I was in college (yep, AFROTC and proud of it) and while I was on active duty during the last part of "Mr. Nixon's War".

See... Al makes the usual inference, to whit:

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the key players from Nixon's administration (Cheney and Rumsfeld) are screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam


Ah... see.. it was NIXON'S ADMINISTRATION (and Nixon by extension obviously) that screwed up the Viet Nam war.

But then there's the actual facts...which show that inference to be just...stupid.

Does it upset you that the facts don't support tossing the blame on Nixon? That show that Johnson got is WAY, WAY IN to VietNam, screwed it with stupid ROE and idiotic assumptions by McNamara but it was Nixon that did the dirty work of getting us OUT. Nixon was hardly perfect but it sure as hell wasn't "his war".


And now back to our regularly scheduled topic. As usual, you've tried a nice diversionary move and I applaud your attempt.

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I said "My man diftglass"...... and so the hell what? I dig the guy. What is with you constantly repeating the quote? Am I supposed to be denying it?
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Nope; you obviously just reaffirmed it. However, I can't help it. I find it simply hilarious that you "dig" Limbaugh's leftie twin.

I'm sorry. It's just too funny.

I'm sure you don't see it but...you've become that which you oppose.

heh.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2006, 09:58:15 PM by Toad »
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« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2006, 09:58:46 PM »
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Well, Nash... maybe you just had to be alive and in the service then.


What.... To make up complete fiction, attribute it to someone, and then blame them for it?

Nah.... see.... there's tons of people who do that right now who weren't even alive back then. You're not so special.

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« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2006, 10:02:25 PM »
Complete fiction? What, the term "Mr. Nixon's War"?

You really never heard that before? Cripes, there were SIGNS with that on them during the rallies while I was in college.

Or are you denying Al posted that the Nixon administration screwed up Viet Nam? Nah...you can read.

Or are you just trying the old softshoe to get you and "your man" Drifty out of the spotlight.

Gotta be the last one.

Heh.
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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2006, 10:14:17 PM »
Why are you still putting "Mr. Nixon's War" in quotes?

You are the only one who ever uttered those words in any thread here......

...... no matter how bad you tried to attribute them - directly - to someone else.

You almost got away with it too. ;)

Anyways.... so, blah blah blah.... You don't like driftglass, I do, and I don't care if you or anyone else doesn't. Whoopdy-do. Like why do I care?

If you want to compare him to Rush, be my guest. If Nuke wants to call him a moron, be my guest. What do you want from me?

I ain't gonna sit here trying to make your case for you. I ain't gonna compare them just because you see a comparison. You compare them if you care so much. I've yet to see a single Driftglass quote or a single Rush quote in this entire "debate"..... yet you two guys seem to want me to agree with you, just because...

I don't think so, man.

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« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2006, 10:24:06 PM »
Poor youngster.

"Mr. Nixon's War"

Check Tape Two (Hour One) Part Two: Triumph

where it says

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"Mr. Nixon's War"

Segment 3: (begins at: 22 minutes, 15 seconds)
Length: approximately 18 minutes
Starting image: opening scene from the film "Patton"

Nixon seeks an "honorable end to war," but Vietnam becomes "Nixon's war" when troops aren't withdrawn right away; anti-war demonstrations staged across the country


Hey! Look! Even PBS puts it in quotes! Imagine that!

Like I said, I guess you had to be there.

Anyway... Drifty and Rush.

The comparison is clear to anyone who takes the time to look. They're both obnoxious twits that pander to the respective wing's fanatics. There's not a nickle's worth of difference in their techniques.

That you've become a devotee of the flip side of Rush is pretty damn funny. I never thought you'd fall for anything like that.
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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2006, 10:26:56 PM »
Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al.

Go back and look. That's just how it was referred to by that time's loony left, the folks that never studied the history of the troop buildup.
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« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2006, 10:41:29 PM »
A google search on "Mr. Nixon's War" turns up an overwhelming...... 47 results.

Now, it could have turned up 300,000 results and it still wouldn't take away from the fact that AlGorithm explicitely singled out two people - Cheney and Rumsfeld - while not saying anything whatsoever about "Mr. Nixon" himself.

Hell, from Algorithm's post, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that he was sheilding Nixon from any blame.

But not good enough. You introduce this "Mr. Nixon's War" straw man that only you ever mentioned, put it into quotation marks attributing it to AlGorithm, and then spend the next 2000 words tearing it down.

By the way, spare me your "poor youngster" crap. If you think your old age gives you some kind of implied or unspoken leverage, think again. You're gonna have to do just as much heavy lifting as me around here, old man.

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The comparison is clear to anyone who takes the time to look. They're both obnoxious twits that pander to the respective wing's fanatics. There's not a nickle's worth of difference in their techniques.


The comparison isn't clear to me.... but go ahead and spend the next 100 posts trying to declare it so, just because, well, you think it so.

How about providing some examples... some evidence? How's about a side by side comparison?

Nah.... too much work. You deem it so, thus it must be.

Whatever.
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« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2006, 10:48:49 PM »
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Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al.
 


Jebus, Toad, you singled out that exact sentence from Al's post, quoted his words in bold, and made your response directly to it.

Now you're trying to have everyone believe this:

"Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al."

:rofl

Talk about a back-pedal....

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« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2006, 07:15:51 AM »
Nash, you can't be that thick.

Do you deny Al places blame on the Nixon administration for "screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam"?

Do you deny that if you blame the two "key players" from the Nixon administration you are blaming, by extension, Nixon as well? After all, he was Commander in Chief, head of his administration.

My post points out that it was Johnson who got us in and who truly screwed it up. Nixon got us out, albeit by widening the war.

Now to "Mr. Nixon's War". No matter how many Google hits you got on it, it's odd that such an unknown phrase I made up is the title...in QUOTES... of a PBS segment, don't you think?

At the time, the loony left began calling it "Mr. Nixon's War" almost as soon as Nixon took office.

PBS not good enough for you?

Gerald Early: Review of Taylor Branch's At Canaan's Edge: America in the King Years, 1965-1968

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From the fires of these wars over race and poverty at home and Third World nationalism abroad came a resurgent, newly populist American conservatism that has become a vital, if not the dominant, force in American political life since the 1968 election of Republican Richard Nixon as President on a platform of "law and order" and "peace with honor." ("Peace with honor" turned out to mean five more years of escalated bloodletting in Vietnam in what became Mr. Nixon's War.)


Note that while the author doesn't use quotations, he captializes War. Why would that be? War shouldn't be capitalized should it?

Hmmm.. maybe something from the enemy.

The '1205 Document': Another View

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An interview with Hoang Tuan, editor of Nhan Dan, revealed that his country is preparing for four more years of war if President Nixon... is reelected. Tuan went on to state that the United States bombing and mining had created difficulties, and that Mr. Nixon's war is 10 times more barbarous than his predecessor's. These remarks are almost exact duplicates of Quang's June 26th speech.


Well, how about President Johnson then, as quoted by Mike Wallace
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...and when the time came for Johnson to guide us past the exhibits, I honored his request and did not ask about Vietnam. But to my astonishment, he brought it up himself. We'd just finished talking about the critical challenges that a commander in chief had to confront in the nuclear age when, out of the blue -- without a hint or warning of any kind—the words came pouring out of him in a torrent:

"Throughout our history, our public has been prone to attach presidents' names to the international difficulties. You will recall the War of 1812 was branded as Mr. Madison's War, and the Mexican War was Mr. Polk's War, and the Civil War or the War Between the States was Mr. Lincoln's War, and World War One was Mr. Wilson's War, and World War Two was Mr. Roosevelt's War, and Korea was Mr. Truman's War, and President Kennedy was spared that cruel action because his period was known as Mr. McNamara's War. And then it became Mr. Johnson's War, and now they refer to it as Mr. Nixon's War in talking about getting out. I think it is very cruel to have that burden placed upon a president, because he is trying to follow a course that he devotedly believes is in the best interest of his nation. And if those presidents hadn't stood up for what was right during those periods, we wouldn't have this country what it is today."



There goes YOUR strawman.

Al's comment mirrors those of the loony left during Nixon's Presidency. It shows a lack of knowledge of the history of US involvement in Viet Nam, as usual.

There's Al's strawman; the old lie that it was Nixon and his administration that "screwed up Viet Nam".

I think if you had been there....kid....you wouldn't have even bothered with this red herring to get folks off the trail of your becoming Drifty's dittohead.

Age doesn't necessarily impart much but there's value to have actually been witness to some stuff so that later, when younger generations don't know or refuse to learn the history, one can point out errors from first hand experience.
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« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2006, 07:19:02 AM »
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Jebus, Toad, you singled out that exact sentence from Al's post, quoted his words in bold, and made your response directly to it.

Now you're trying to have everyone believe this:

"Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al."

:rofl

Talk about a back-pedal....


Jebus... look at the quote. I respond to Al's comment that it was the Nixon Administration that was "screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam".

If you can't see that implicates Nixon himself... blame your teachers.

If you don't realize that this is the exact argument made by the loony left after Nixon was elected you just don't know the history.

I know you can read... saddle up and do it. For your own sake.
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« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2006, 07:34:18 AM »
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The comparison isn't clear to me.... but go ahead and spend the next 100 posts trying to declare it so, just because, well, you think it so.


You don't have to make any case for it, nor do I.  Anyone that reads both Drifty and Limbaugh will see the parallel demagoguery.

What was that paean of self-praise you put out a while ago about how you just speak straight from your heart and tell it like it is and don't back down and all that stuff?

Oh, yeah:

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But when I do add my 2 cents, I'm going to lay it all out there. I'll say exactly what I think at that very moment - the second the thought crosses my mind, and I'll express it the best way I know how. You can trust that I'm not going to pull any punches.... but.... it doesn't really mirror my day to day stuff.

It does however reflect my thinking.


HOMBRE!

Yeah... me too, me too!  :rofl
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« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2006, 08:54:09 AM »
wow, i cant  believe i just read every word in this post... whew... keep it coming.. i love morning entertainment... goes good with my coffee...