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Offline Brenjen

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« on: June 07, 2006, 09:43:26 PM »
I heard on the local news today that some fruit-cakes from Kansas are here in Arkansas disrupting soldiers funerals with protests; holding up signs like "Thank god for dead soldiers" & BS like that.

 The Arkansas legislature passed laws against this practice & I'm not positive what they contain, but none of the protesters were arrested apparently.

 There is a motorcycle group that rides their Harleys beside the family so they drown out the protestors & all the grieving family members can hear is the sound of the bikes engines. I don't know if this organization is active in other states or not.

 I would appreciate anyone who finds the practice of protesting the families of these G.I.'s to write a letter, call, or E-mail local & federal authorities & insist that they enforce the laws preventing the disruption of the prossession or funeral.

 They have a right to protest the war & they have a right to freedom of speech & assembly, but the families also have a right to bury their loved ones in peace. The voters of this country need to let these states & our federal govt. know how we feel about it. Even if you're not from Arkansas write them anyway & tell them you will not contribute to the economy of this state with tourism etc. until they enforce the laws.
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Offline nirvana

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2006, 10:00:54 PM »
Brenjen, there is already federal legislation in the works to ban people from protesting at military funerals, as well as several states that have already passed such legislation.  The motorcycle group is active in all continental states I believe, but there are more funerals then they can attend so it's hard to keep up.  It's led by a genius who has a church of 120, 80 of which are his own family.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2006, 10:11:06 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 10:28:20 PM »
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Yes, this has been brought up before.  The pastor and his "congregation" are a dispicable lot.  Blaming the deaths of G.I.'s to the U.S.'s tolerence of homosexuality.  

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 10:50:09 PM »
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Brenjen, there is already federal legislation in the works to ban people from protesting at military funerals....


its the law
Last Action:   May 29, 2006: Became Public Law No: 109-228.

as long as the cemetery is under control of the National Cemetery Administration  or at Arlington National Cemetery not a peep an hour before to an hour after the service or they can be arrested
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Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2006, 12:06:48 AM »
Well it's against the law here in Arkansas too. Unfortunately they were here today, in a little town just south of mine; that's why I brought it up. I see where someone says this has been brought up before, that's  good. As far as I know though this is the first time they have come to Arkansas & the laws enacted here did nothing to stop them & as far as I know, none were arrested, which is wrong.

 I want people to complain to the government of my state even if they do not live here. Make them aware they need to enforce the laws against this behaviour or make the laws stiffer so the protestors can be arrested if they can't be arrested under current laws.

 I may rig up a garden sprayer filled with skunk oil & aim the nozzle out the side of my truck, triggering it as I pass them if they show up down here in the future. Maybe putting a few dozen crawfish in the sprayer full of septic tank water & leaving it in the sun a few days will be a pleasant experience for them. Does anyone have a recipe for homemade mace?
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 12:42:10 AM »
Brenjen, I too object to these types of protests. Arkansas law might state that the protest cant happen within a certain distance of the funeral. If so, as long as these protestors stay the minimum distance from the funeral there would be nothing the police could do about it.

Iirc Iowa passed a law just like this. It would be unconstitutional to outright ban their protests.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 12:43:17 AM »
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It would be unconstitutional to outright ban their protests.


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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 12:51:25 AM »
Allow Honor Guard to use live ammo. :t
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 01:07:45 AM »
thank god we have sandman to remind us uneducated dolts what freedom is all about :rolleyes:
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2006, 01:14:08 AM »
You've been blessed. This is true. :p
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2006, 01:15:52 AM »
I know dude, its true.  You piss me off sometimes but your usually right :D

bastid hehe
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Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2006, 01:53:58 AM »
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It would be unconstitutional to outright ban their protests.


 I couldn't agree more. But they can protest somewhere like; um, say the state capitol. The state doesn't have to allow them to protest anywhere & everywhere they feel like protesting.

 There is an old addage that states, "your (the protestors) rights end where someone elses (the families of the dead) begin."


 
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Arkansas law might state that the protest cant happen within a certain distance of the funeral.


 Yup, that's why I said this: "or make the laws stiffer so the protestors can be arrested if they can't be arrested under current laws."
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2006, 11:29:32 PM »
I think the only legislation that would pass constitutional scrutiny would be making the protestors have to stay so far away that they couldnt be seen or heard from the location of the funeral.

Anything else is Un-American. As much as these protests disgust me, it's an aspect of our culture that we have to endure. Just like we endure the Nazis, Communists, KKK etc etc etc.

If we did somehow manage to legislate these types of protests away......where does it stop? Who gets legislated away next? Who next after that? Once you legislate away one group you have opened a can of worms that cant and wont be closed again.

As wrong as these protests are, all we can do is make the protestors stay so far away that they cant bother the folks attending the funeral.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2006, 11:33:17 PM »
is it illegal to shoot 'em?
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