Author Topic: Met Bob Hoover in Washington DC today (Read 863 times)

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 09, 2006, 03:42:10 PM »

Was the ME262 the first to break the sound barrier?
ME262 SOUND BARRIER

midnight Target · « **Reply #16 on:** June 09, 2006, 04:22:56 PM »

Welch supposely broke the SB in an F-86 in a dive. He claimed it afterward and there was some evidence to suggest it happened. Yeager was the 1st to do it in level flight AND to do it with the proper telemetry AND to do it without disobeying orders not to AND to do it in a plane specifically designed for the purpose.

Hardly a reason to hate the guy.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #17 on:** June 09, 2006, 04:26:30 PM »

Welch Broke the barrier in a dive.

Yeager did it in level flight.

Big difference.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** June 09, 2006, 04:35:59 PM »

That is true. But Welch's flight was still a controlled flight. And Yeager knew he broke it, but kept his mouth shut, and still will not own up about it. Bah. Politics. Bah.

LePaul · « **Reply #19 on:** June 09, 2006, 05:21:03 PM »

Ah, well...those that adore Neil Armstrong hate Yeager because he dissed him in the book (landed on a wet lakebed when Yeager told him they'd get stuck. They did!)

For what its worth, I admire Chuck none the less. Liked his book, second one sucked...seems like a great fella who started out with not much and worked his way up nicely.

If you wanna dislike the guy based on who said what...that's up to you. I tend to veer away from the hearsay on folks like that. He made a good impression on me and others who got to chat, sip some beers and listen to his stories.

Debonair · « **Reply #20 on:** June 09, 2006, 06:34:05 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Welch supposely broke the SB in an F-86 in a dive. He claimed it afterward and there was some evidence to suggest it happened. Yeager was the 1st to do it in level flight AND to do it with the proper telemetry AND to do it without disobeying orders not to AND to do it in a plane specifically designed for the purpose.

Hardly a reason to hate the guy.

george welch was in the private sector at the time.
a lot of the stuff i see about yeager does specificly say he was the 1st "in level flight".
didn't the RAF "tall boy" bomb go supersonic in a dive?
they should have made a piloted version:noid

Skuzzy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 09, 2006, 07:04:02 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Ah, well...those that adore Neil Armstrong hate Yeager because he dissed him in the book (landed on a wet lakebed when Yeager told him they'd get stuck. They did!)

For what its worth, I admire Chuck none the less. Liked his book, second one sucked...seems like a great fella who started out with not much and worked his way up nicely.

If you wanna dislike the guy based on who said what...that's up to you. I tend to veer away from the hearsay on folks like that. He made a good impression on me and others who got to chat, sip some beers and listen to his stories.

It's not based on 'who said what'. Just FYI. It is documented in the Smithsonian as an historical fact.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #22 on:** June 09, 2006, 07:04:44 PM »

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Originally posted by culero
Golfer, maybe Robin Olds?

I'd sure like to know the details regarding this Yeager/sound barrier thing.

culero

Robin Olds has been mostly grey since the late seventies.

Welch and the sound barrier

On Yeager I'm neither hot nor cold. No doubt he deserves a lot of credit, however I think he gets more attention for some things than he should, while others get somewhat ignored.

Mr Big · « **Reply #23 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:33:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It's not based on 'who said what'. Just FYI. It is documented in the Smithsonian as an historical fact.

The fact is that his flight was never recorded with required/accurate instruments.

So it's all hearsay.

Mr Big · « **Reply #24 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:47:36 PM »

See Rule #4, #5

Debonair · « **Reply #25 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:24:05 PM »

welch's experiencing "Mach jump" before anyone had predicted it is considered by many as particularly good evidence:noid

Swager · « **Reply #26 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:47:18 PM »

Yeager is shaving money problems with is family.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2006, 08:44:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Mr Big
The fact is that his flight was never recorded with required/accurate instruments.

So it's all hearsay.

Just from this, it is obvious you have not taken the time to read the records the Smithsonian has. They published them in Air & Space. I'll take the word of the Smithsonian as they did a good job of presenting the data, and providing backup to it.

Mr Big · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2006, 11:58:34 AM »

No, I have not read it. Have a link?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:15:44 PM »

I don't think Air & Space is published online. I have the magazine.