Idea for PTO RPS: Commonwealth vs Japan

[Mister Fork]

Hey all,

I'm working on a RPS for the PTO, but instead of the usual USAAF/USN vs the IJA/IJN, I'm swapping out the US for the Commonwealth countries (CC) involved in the PTO (New Zealand, Australia, Britian, and Canada).

Here is what I have for the first matchup of early 1940.  I do know that for the CC had the Hurri I and the Spit IA.  I also know that the P-40B was also there but I can't remember who had it. I also DON'T know if the variants listed below for the years even saw action in the PTO.  So, please take a look, and if you have recommendations, please let me know.

Also, I'm looking for IJA/IJN subs for:
- GM4 (betty)
- Ki-21 (sally)
- Ki-44
- JM2 Raiden
- Ki-100

1940
Hurricane Mk I  
Spitfire Mk IA
vs
A6M2
B5N2
D3A-1

1941
Boston MkIII
Hurri IIC
Spitfire V
vs
A6M2
B5N2
D3A-1

1942
Hurri IID
Seafire IIC
Spitfire Mk IX
vs
A6M2
GM4 sub

1943
Mosquito
Spitfire VIII
Typhoon IB
vs
Ki-61
A6M5b
Ki-44 sub
JM2 Raiden sub

1944
Spitfire XVI?
Tempest V?
vs
Ki-67
Ki-84-la
A6M5b
Ki-21 sub

1945
Spitfire?
Typhoon?
Tempest?
vs
N1K2-J
Ki-84
Ki-100 sub

[storch]

Aussies and Kiwis flew all flavors of P40s
The RCN flew Hogs, Hellcats and Martletts
some CC flew P400s as well as lightningIs (without superchargers)

would it be too much of a stretch to add the Yak as a sub for the P400?
it might be a bit of a stretch to add the PG in place of the lightningI but I don't think anyone would whine.

The JU88s will have to fill the roles of the GM4 and Ki21 even though that would be a big stretch in the case of the Ki21.

to supplement the weak A6M2 from 1941 onward I would add the A6M5 to make up for the absence of the A6M3.  you have spitIX against the A6M2,  the arena will be a ghost town the spit guys will be running the whole time and fun for no one.  I would consider adding a 109F-4 at that time but it would be a tropical european set up for all intent and purpose.

Ki44 sub should be a 109, The F closely matches it's numbers.

J2M= 190A5

Ki 100, the tony is close enough to this model to be almost redundant but the MC205 might not be too much of a stretch.

add the Bf110C-4 as a sub for the Ki45, I know one guy who will fly it.  then there is the possibilty of add adding the MC202 as a sub for the Ki43.

[Shifty]

Agree with the A6M5 subbing for the A6M3.

Were the Typhoon, and Tempest even used in the PTO? I'm not sure but I don't think they were. Drop them, and possibly look at limiting the Spit models to the MK IX as the latest version allowed. Then you wouldn't need to sub for all the missing Jap rides.

The N1K2, Ki-84, Ki-61, and A6M5 , would match up well with the Spit9, SeafireII, and Hurr II's. Use the TBM , and Seafire on any British CV's your planning on including. You could also use the Hurri I, on CV's. Possibly base the Spit9 from CV's the last week to represent the SeafireMkIII.

That might keep the setup more to the Commonwealth/ Imperial Japan setup your looking for. If you throw in a bunch of USAAF/USN , and Luftwaffe birds , your going to have a bastardized ETO. Or maybe a PETO.

These are just ideas , others may have more info on aircraft availability , but simpiler may be better in this case. Justa thought.

[storch]

what map are you considering?  you could go from 1943 onwards an not sub anything at all.

[TexMurphy]

Id rather NOT sub at all.

Seriously subing in the pacific makes it just into another Spits vs 109s+190s RPS...

Id rather do a RPS like this

Set 1

Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk IA
P40b
TBM
SBD
vs
A6M2
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 2

SpitV
P40e
F4F
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
A6M5b
Ki-61
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 3

F6F-5
F4U-1
F4U-1D
SpitXVI
Typhoon
Mossie
vs
A6M5b
N1K2-J
Ki-84-la
Ki-61
Ki-67

Yes screw the years... with the gaps we have in the jap plane set we cant do years in a good way so do 3 ballanced sets that roughly represent early, mid and late war.

Tex

[Karnak]

The Typhoon, Tempest, Hurricane Mk IId, Spitfire Mk I, Spitfire Mk IX and Spitfire Mk XVI never served in the Pacific.  I am not sure about the Hurricane Mk IIc.

The Spitfire Mk V and Spitfire Mk VIII were the major versions used in the Pacific.  The Spitfire Mk XIV saw some use at the tail end of the war in the CBI.

The Mosquito Mk VI was used in the CBI from the end of 1943 on, though in small numbers.  I seem to recall some use elsewhere in the Pacific too.

There were some Hurricane Mk Is in the Pacific early on, though I don't know how much use they saw.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Karnak
The Typhoon, Tempest, Hurricane Mk IId, Spitfire Mk I, Spitfire Mk IX and Spitfire Mk XVI never served in the Pacific.  I am not sure about the Hurricane Mk IIc.

The Spitfire Mk V and Spitfire Mk VIII were the major versions used in the Pacific.  The Spitfire Mk XIV saw some use at the tail end of the war in the CBI.

The Mosquito Mk VI was used in the CBI from the end of 1943 on, though in small numbers.  I seem to recall some use elsewhere in the Pacific too.

There were some Hurricane Mk Is in the Pacific early on, though I don't know how much use they saw.

Thanks Karnak.

The Commonwealth involvement in the Pacific  doesn't get a lot of attention, we needed somebody that knows this info to step up.

It seems you could make a decent setup with the planes mentioned above. If all the CW troops have for a fighter at the begining is the Hurri I................. Well all the IJ's have is the A6M2. Maybe karnak can expand on the Royal Navy but it doesn't seem like their CV based air had ttremendous striking power. The TBM and Seafire would seem good if added later, and no need for an SBD or any other US , or German aircraft. This looks pretty interesting with the planes available for both sides.

[RedDg]

we need jugs

[Shifty]

Originally posted by RedDg
we need jugs

I think theres a Hooters right outside the main gate at Pearl.

[storch]

Originally posted by RedDg
we need jugs

get married or see urchin.  big head todd often praises urchin's jugs in poetry and song.

[storch]

Originally posted by TexMurphy
Id rather NOT sub at all.

Seriously subing in the pacific makes it just into another Spits vs 109s+190s RPS...

Id rather do a RPS like this

Set 1

Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk IA
P40b
TBM
SBD
vs
A6M2
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 2

SpitV
P40e
F4F
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
A6M5b
Ki-61
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 3

F6F-5
F4U-1
F4U-1D
SpitXVI
Typhoon
Mossie
vs
A6M5b
N1K2-J
Ki-84-la
Ki-61
Ki-67

Yes screw the years... with the gaps we have in the jap plane set we cant do years in a good way so do 3 ballanced sets that roughly represent early, mid and late war.

Tex

 good idea Tex

[Mister Fork]

I like Tex's idea.  Simple RPS with Karnaks' suggestions

Set 1

Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk IA
P40b
TBM
SBD
vs
A6M2
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 2

SpitVb
P40e
F4F
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
A6M5b
Ki-61
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 3
SeafireIIc (CV only)
Spit Vb
SpitVIII
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
Ki-84-la
Ki-67

Set 4
Spitfire VIII
Spitfire IX
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
Ki-84-la
NIK2

[Shifty]

This will be a unique setup , havent ever seen one like it. Great Idea Fork!

Hopefully it will be as fun as it looks on paper. Thanks for the ideas and info, Tex and Karnak!:aok

[Panzzer]

Yeah, it does look good, and I am sure it will be fun.

I fear I'll be too busy and/or tired next week to fly it, but I hope I can have an hour or two to try it..

[storch]

one minor change, leave the Ki61 in all the way to the end. even if you don't the set up is great.  good job.