Airsoft!!

[Bronk]

Originally posted by SaburoS
I used to play paintball several years ago. Got tired of the childish attitudes and the way the paintball gun had to be fired in the game as well as the poor tactics involved.
Bad to learn as firing the paintball gun is about hosing using the tracer method not even using a cheek weld* and sight picture. The trigger squeeze is non existant, just bad overall.
 

Did you ever try stock class.
To me stock class is much more fun.




Bronk

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by indy007
Airsoft is neutered paintball. I play/played, but can't get an adrenaline rush from it. Even if some guy is 5 feet away, there's no fear that it's going to really freakin' hurt if I make a mistake. That, and almost all of the airsoft players I've run into just don't have anywhere near the aggression level of paintball players

Yeah, my buddy still plays paintball, I used to (about 7 years ago). They were rather timid. We were aggressive and took up tactical positions that gave us a good vantage point of their side.

Edit: added....I've got 5 mini welts on my left leg that hurt like the dickens in two games I got shot in (I never saw the guy). He was shooting a hot gun, but it was all fun anyway.

Originally posted by indy007
Stay away from the airsoft "paintball" pellets. They will shred in your gears and ruin the rest of your day (and the next several as you attempt to clean in it, reassemble it, and pray it works)

Plus they leave a lot to be desired from an accuracy standpoint. I never considered it.

Originally posted by indy007
Snip~My personal rule is to shoot them until they call themselves out. ~snip

That's my rule too

Originally posted by indy007
Airsoft guns shoot too flat Most like it.. I even do to a certain extent.. but I think it's very limiting. Since concealment is just as good as solid cover in both, paintball guns can let you drop shots and shoot around corners in a way airsoft guns simply can't.

That's exactly why I like Airsoft over paintball.

Originally posted by indy007
If you want aggressive airsoft, you have to go to Japan. Unfortunately, all of the non-paintball airsoft players we've run into have this really bad idea stuck in their head... they want to be "tactical". Got a useless silencer and laser sight? That's tactical. Got a helmet on? That's tactical. Carrying an extra 30 pounds of crap that you're never, ever gonna use? That's tactical. Got a 10x scope for those scary very long range 50 yard engagements... that's tactical. Cornering 10 airsoft armed paintball players in a 40 on 10 situation and still having your flank rolled in 2 minutes... that's reality.

LOL, yeah gotta love the laser toting ones. That's Hollywood, not tactical.

Originally posted by indy007
Sub... here's a drill Swarm (from the MA) taught me for those shots where they're just hanging out alittle bit. Say... the very edge of an elbow, heel, or toe is sticking out from their bunker...

Find yourself a friend with a stopwatch, and a good bunker, with your target bunker however far away you're comfortable with. Tape a quarter up at the target bunker. Just hanging off the side, on the bunker, doesn't really matter, as long as you have a quarter sized target. Tuck into your bunker, and post up on the quarter. Sit there tucked up and wait up to 5 minutes. When the command is given (it's kinda random to keep you on your toes), 1-shot the quarter. If you miss, get comfy, you get to do the fun wait part again.

Next, find yourself a telephone poll, tree.. whatever.. and tape up a row of paper plates about chest height. Back up to where you're comfortable, and begin walking in a circle and shooting the plates. Gradually pick up your pace. After awhile of this drill, you should be able to put all your shots into the plates at a dead run. Personally, this is what I'm really bad at. However, people that master this drill get very, very dangerous on the field.

My accuracy and hit percentage are fine. I hit guys that are moving just fine as I know how to lead my target.

Originally posted by indy007
Only problem with airsoft and paintball is that they're so far from realistic... it's gonna take Simunitions to really make it believable.

 

They are both games. Airsoft doesn't penalize marksmanship and tactics. By virtue of the ages of the players, a more mature attitude in Airsoft.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Bronk
Did you ever try stock class.
To me stock class is much more fun.

Bronk

It's the parabolic flight of the paintball that makes using a sight not that much of an advantage. I like the idea of using firearms marksmanship in a game (airsoft) over paintball.

It's all a personal preference anyway. I used to think Airsoft was somewhat silly only to be pleasantly surprised. To each their own.

[Maverick]

Just  a question here from a situation brought up in another thread.

What is better, high rate of fire or single aimed shots in either paint ball or airsoft?

Which tactic gets the win?




 I'm gonna love this discussion. Got my popcorn, hotdogs and beer handy.

[indy007]

It depends on the situation. Often in paintball you may be completely pinned into your bunker... but you're really not. There are almost always angles you work with. If you can't beat the guy with the best angle on you in a snap-shootout, play the angle just in front of him or another key forward bunker, and sweetspot it. You won't even see the guys running up, but you'll see them walking off after they run through your stream.

On top of that, when you have such a narrow viewpoint to play out of, you don't have time to sight, acquire, fire. Paintballs & airsoft bb's are simply too slow to make it happen. The only way to win that situation is to have a f*#!@*% lot of paint already on the way.

For the rifleman that hate any arguement for ROF... well, catch the pball championships on ESPN sometime. See how it's played, and look for how often the opportunity for a patient, aimed shot actually becomes available. It's virtually never in any type of competative format.

[SaburoS]

In paintball, high rate of fire. Most use the tracer method of foollowing the shots. Those that play long enough know where their paint is generally going to land.

In Airsoft, a rapid rate of fire is preferred since there is NO recoil to fowl up the remaining shots. The faster, flatter (there is a hop up switch that allows controlled back spin to flatten that shot) trajectory allows for "truer" rewards of marksmanship.

I don't consider rate of fire the tactic. Ability to sweep a room properly, using cover and shadows is the preferred tactic. Aimed, accurate fire helps.

If you've been firing real guns for awhile, Airsoft shouldn't take much to get into it.
For paintball, you have to learn a whole new way of "shooting". Don't know if you want to do that.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by indy007
Snip~
On top of that, when you have such a narrow viewpoint to play out of, you don't have time to sight, acquire, fire. Paintballs & airsoft bb's are simply too slow to make it happen. The only way to win that situation is to have a f*#!@*% lot of paint already on the way.~Snip

Sorry but I've used the tactic of spotting someone and he me. I duck back under cover get my gun at the ready, souldered, looking through my sight. Pop out and fire a volley before he can react. Pop back in for cover. Hear the "hit" call from the other side.

Originally posted by indy007
For the rifleman that hate any arguement for ROF... well, catch the pball championships on ESPN sometime. See how it's played, and look for how often the opportunity for a patient, aimed shot actually becomes available. It's virtually never in any type of competative format.

You sir, just proved my point.

Paintball and Airsoft are really that different.

[Maverick]

I propose a game varient. One side gets to use the current automatic or semi automatic equipment. The other side gets to use single shot guns and optical sights. Which side will win, I wonder.

[United]

I don't know about all that stuff, but I want one of these...

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=779

[indy007]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Sorry but I've used the tactic of spotting someone and he me. I duck back under cover get my gun at the ready, souldered, looking through my sight. Pop out and fire a volley before he can react. Pop back in for cover. Hear the "hit" call from the other side.

You sir, just proved my point.

Paintball and Airsoft are really that different.

You're talking about a snapshoot contest. Usually 1 on 1, both of you in bunkers. Several small bursts to try to establish dominance and the post-up position. You should happened to be shooting at somebody, that quite obviously, sucked. A good player will make this a very hard fought contest. The winner usually maintains dominance as best they can be filling the air with bb's aimed at the pop-out spot.

Hate to break it to you, but it happens the exact same way in paintball & airsoft. It's games of shooting either 6mm plastic or .68cal gel capsules at each other, trying to obtain superior angles. Angles lead to negating the effect of their cover, getting them shot out. Once they're shot out, manuver for another superior position and keep going until their team is wiped out. These are not real guns. There is no kick on higher end models, and no loss of accuracy, even with 20+, 30+, or 50+ bps modes. The only difference is you can make the line of paint or bb's much, much thicker. When you do that, you close that window where they can try to snapshoot you.

Now, since you brought up your story as a glorious testament to the effectiveness of rifleman... here's some questions for ya...

Why was your gun not shouldered?
Why did you have to take your eyes off the target, to spend time getting ready to take a shot, at where you hoped the target was at?
What if the target had *gasp* moved?
What if the target did not suck, and had 15 bps enroute to your pop-out spot?

Sounds like you were both caught with your pants down, and only his enormous lack of skill prevented a quick 1 for 1 or extended shootout.

All your story did was tell me there's people that suck in airsoft & paintball.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by SaburoS
I used to play paintball several years ago. Got tired of the childish attitudes and the way the paintball gun had to be fired in the game as well as the poor tactics involved.
Bad to learn as firing the paintball gun is about hosing using the tracer method not even using a cheek weld* and sight picture. The trigger squeeze is non existant, just bad overall.
Switching to Airsoft (although it was an indoor game) was so refreshingly different on so many levels that I'll probably never play paintball again. I haven't missed it for the last several years anyway.
I used the dark bb's so indoor they could not be seen.
I was hitting guys that had only about 2-3" of their body sticking out. Surprised the heck out of them especially since they couldn't see me or hear the shots.
Funny thing was was that I was the only one not in camo.
I had a light grey top with white on it, a light khaki pair of cargo pants, and a pair of brite red mechanics gloves. Everyone else wore woodland camo.

Edit: Oops forgot.
*Make sure the facemask you choose will allow you to get a proper cheek weld. I found that a cheaper ($30.00 Proto mask) worked better than those costing more than double.

Sub
 Where did you play Airsoft at?   I agree with the paintball thing, it has become a game of tag with paint.      The idea of triggers that use two fingers and guns with no sites blows my mind, its like they took everything about being a good shot with a real firearm and threw it out.

They even don't like them being called guns.

"its a marker not a gun!"

I have a tokyo Marai M4, but I think its a POS the plastic receiver is so weak the barrel moves about half an inch up and down and side to side.

COurse I bought it before Clasic Army came out with the metal recivers.... lol.

[CyranoAH]

I love my Steyr AUG with Phantom kit, it's one heavy SOB, but I love the accuracy (long barrel + systema 6.04mm inner barrel + 130% spring).



Daniel

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by indy007
You're talking about a snapshoot contest. Usually 1 on 1, both of you in bunkers. Several small bursts to try to establish dominance and the post-up position. You should happened to be shooting at somebody, that quite obviously, sucked. A good player will make this a very hard fought contest. The winner usually maintains dominance as best they can be filling the air with bb's aimed at the pop-out spot.

Hate to break it to you, but it happens the exact same way in paintball & airsoft. It's games of shooting either 6mm plastic or .68cal gel capsules at each other, trying to obtain superior angles. Angles lead to negating the effect of their cover, getting them shot out. Once they're shot out, manuver for another superior position and keep going until their team is wiped out. These are not real guns. There is no kick on higher end models, and no loss of accuracy, even with 20+, 30+, or 50+ bps modes. The only difference is you can make the line of paint or bb's much, much thicker. When you do that, you close that window where they can try to snapshoot you.

Now, since you brought up your story as a glorious testament to the effectiveness of rifleman... here's some questions for ya...

Why was your gun not shouldered?
Why did you have to take your eyes off the target, to spend time getting ready to take a shot, at where you hoped the target was at?
What if the target had *gasp* moved?
What if the target did not suck, and had 15 bps enroute to your pop-out spot?

Sounds like you were both caught with your pants down, and only his enormous lack of skill prevented a quick 1 for 1 or extended shootout.

All your story did was tell me there's people that suck in airsoft & paintball.

I was in the building, he was out on the field behind cover (there many "barricades" out there. I had my rifle at the low ready since I wanted to present the absolute smallest profile to my opponent(s). The moment I saw him I ducked back behind cover.
Shouldered my P90 looking through my sights. Popped out at a lower angle - sight picture- fired a burst-popped back behind cover. I knew I hit him. No back and fourth volley. My burst hit home. I knew it would.

Why don't you let it go and enjoy your paintball. All you're proving is having a chip on your shoulder, again proving my point the difference between paintball and airsoft. Move along for I'm not questioning your love of paintball nor your "tactics".

To each his own.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by SaburoS


It's all a personal preference anyway. I used to think Airsoft was somewhat silly only to be pleasantly surprised. To each their own.

Wasn't questioning airsoft better/worst than paintball.

I was just wondering if you had ever tried a stock class paintball game.
10 shot mag and 12 gram only game.  Whole different style of play.


Bronk

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Bronk
Wasn't questioning airsoft better/worst than paintball.

I was just wondering if you had ever tried a stock class paintball game.
10 shot mag and 12 gram only game.  Whole different style of play.


Bronk

No Bronk, I never tried stock class.