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Offline SaburoS

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« on: June 11, 2006, 03:28:42 PM »
Wow, just played my first day. What a blast! Much better than paintball for the flatter, faster bb's of airsoft. Plus the Airsoft guns are just so uncanny in their apearance to the real thing.
My EOTech sight just did not let me down. If I had them in my sights, they were hit. Wow, I found a new sport. What fun!
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2006, 03:30:27 PM »
Airsoft?

See I loved paintball.  Had an SMG-60 and loved putting machine gun fire on em.  Couldnt find ammo for it anymore so got a Tippman 68, basically same thing minus full auto.

Ive seen the Airsoft guns...some really sharp M4-look alikes out there

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2006, 04:14:04 PM »
Does the ammunition leave marks on the person being hit or do you have to depend on their honesty?
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2006, 04:50:48 PM »
You can get paint filled airsoft bb's and I think the most common size is 6mm. Those suckers will put a nice little whelp on you if you are hit on a place with little to no covering. My son has a single shot HK MP5 airsoft copy and a P90 electric full auto; the HK is what I allow him to use around the neighborhood but the P90 is strictly target shooting.

Here are the P90 specs on that one plus what it came with for $30:
    * Removable rail mounted scope
    * Safety switch.
    * NiCad Battery pack and charger
    * Fixed Orange Tip Barrel
    * Shoots 6 mm Pellets
Package Includes:
    * Safety Goggles
    * Strap (Sling)
    * BB's small pack (150)
    * Rail system (suitable for laser/scope, etc..)  
Details
    * Weight: 3.6 Lbs
    * Size: 25.5" Long * 9.5" Tall
    * Capacity: 400 rounds
    * Velocity: 220 FPS  / 50-100 Feet
    * Type: Electric
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2006, 05:49:50 PM »
Airsoft is alot of fun, I used to play all the time with my friends. There is an Airsoft field around where I live, Ive never been there but I heard it was really cool, it used to be for paint ball and the guy rents out M4s and Ak47s with 2x 300 round mags. Its like $50 to play all day. I have a spring Colt 1911 by UHC. Good places to see are http://www.redwolfairsoft.com and I bought mine at http://www.airsoftatlanta.com.

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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2006, 11:18:13 PM »
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Does the ammunition leave marks on the person being hit or do you have to depend on their honesty?


Well, from my buddy that's been playing for a bit, he says it's an honor system and much more honest than paintball. Some players used to wipe off the paint hits. The airsoft crowd is much more friendly as well. It was my first day and have to say that I see playing it for a long time. Good way to get exercise (man, I'm sore). One of the guys was using a hot gun (was set for outdoors) so when I got hit, man it stung. I've got 5 mini welts on my left leg from two separate hits.

More mature crowd than paintball also as some fields won't let those under 18 play. No reason for us older gents to not play. Because of the higher velocity and flatter trajectory of the bbs, it rewards tactics and marksmanship.
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2006, 11:24:15 PM »
When you get a good gun that's what happens,  When you get the POS $20 gun I got....those 6MM plastic pellets drop insanely fast.  On the other hand there is a much larger variety of airsoft weapons available from machine guns to shotguns to handguns.  If you have a big enough field I don't see why you would even have to pay $50 to play airsoft, space is limited some places though...  Glad you had fun, I enjoy both, watching the paintballs fly overhead or hearing the BBs from an M16 are both pretty heart pounding experiences.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2006, 11:26:03 PM »
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Airsoft?

See I loved paintball.  Had an SMG-60 and loved putting machine gun fire on em.  Couldnt find ammo for it anymore so got a Tippman 68, basically same thing minus full auto.

Ive seen the Airsoft guns...some really sharp M4-look alikes out there


LePaul,
Some guns are so uncanny in how they look and feel. Some even have the original factory markings.
Keep in mind the laws of physics when purchasing one as they mostly are the same internals. Range and accuracy are similar so pick the one that looks best to you.
I've convinced some players after yesterdays play that my Tokyo Mauri P90 TR (generally considered a "beginner's" gun) is everybit as accurate as any other gun. As a matter of fact, my buddy said he never saw an airsoft gun so accurate when we were shooting mine in his back yard.
It helps to have a real sight, lol.
I chrono'd my gun after yesterdays play. Most shots registered from 288-290 fps with a couple going down to 285 and a couple going up to 292. Vey consistent.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2006, 11:30:15 PM »
I just started too, I have to say, the accuracy of the weapons makes it far more fun. Plus, I think the fact that it's a faster velocity, will make everyone more honest....who wants to keep getting hit from the pellets :) .

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2006, 02:27:10 AM »
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I just started too, I have to say, the accuracy of the weapons makes it far more fun. Plus, I think the fact that it's a faster velocity, will make everyone more honest....who wants to keep getting hit from the pellets :) .


Yeah, what's great is when you're hitting your opponent and they have no idea where it's coming from as mine is very, very quiet. Silenced. Think about it, high rate of fire 800-900 rpm, silent, accurate, light weight, comfortable to shoot...
Hmmm is there any other choice? :D
I recommend a quality sight such as an EOTech or an Aimpoint M2 or M3. Make sure you check for paralax error before you purchase your sight though.
To test, but batteries in and turn it on. Set it on a solid surface so the targeting point is on a target around 50-100 yards out. Move your head so the targeting point is moving around in the glass. Do not move the sight while doing this! The point should stay on target. If it strays off target, it is not functioning properly.

Edit - Added: I was using three high cap mags (300 rounds each). I had failure to feed malfunctions in almost every game yesterday. I was able to clear it fast enough so overall this is still my fav.

Also, make sure you get some plexiglass discs or squares to cover the front of your sight as you don't want a damaged sight from a direct hit.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2006, 02:42:53 AM by SaburoS »
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2006, 02:41:01 AM »
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When you get a good gun that's what happens,  When you get the POS $20 gun I got....those 6MM plastic pellets drop insanely fast.  On the other hand there is a much larger variety of airsoft weapons available from machine guns to shotguns to handguns.  If you have a big enough field I don't see why you would even have to pay $50 to play airsoft, space is limited some places though...  Glad you had fun, I enjoy both, watching the paintballs fly overhead or hearing the BBs from an M16 are both pretty heart pounding experiences.


I used to play paintball several years ago. Got tired of the childish attitudes and the way the paintball gun had to be fired in the game as well as the poor tactics involved.
Bad to learn as firing the paintball gun is about hosing using the tracer method not even using a cheek weld* and sight picture. The trigger squeeze is non existant, just bad overall.
Switching to Airsoft (although it was an indoor game) was so refreshingly different on so many levels that I'll probably never play paintball again. I haven't missed it for the last several years anyway.
I used the dark bb's so indoor they could not be seen.
I was hitting guys that had only about 2-3" of their body sticking out. Surprised the heck out of them especially since they couldn't see me or hear the shots.
Funny thing was was that I was the only one not in camo.
I had a light grey top with white on it, a light khaki pair of cargo pants, and a pair of brite red mechanics gloves. Everyone else wore woodland camo.

Edit: Oops forgot.
*Make sure the facemask you choose will allow you to get a proper cheek weld. I found that a cheaper ($30.00 Proto mask) worked better than those costing more than double.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2006, 06:12:43 AM »
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Airsoft?

See I loved paintball.  Had an SMG-60 and loved putting machine gun fire on em.  Couldnt find ammo for it anymore so got a Tippman 68, basically same thing minus full auto.

Ive seen the Airsoft guns...some really sharp M4-look alikes out there


I scoffed at Airsoft when I first heard one of my buddies taling about it. Sounds like it may be funner than I gave it credit for. I have 3 fine Tippmans just gathering dust. Time for ebay?:D   Hate to part with my full auto A5 with a flatline on it thought:(

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2006, 08:07:52 AM »
Just try an AK-47 or PSG-1 :D

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2006, 09:14:36 AM »
Airsoft is neutered paintball. I play/played, but can't get an adrenaline rush from it. Even if some guy is 5 feet away, there's no fear that it's going to really freakin' hurt if I make a mistake. That, and almost all of the airsoft players I've run into just don't have anywhere near the aggression level of paintball players :(

Stay away from the airsoft "paintball" pellets. They will shred in your gears and ruin the rest of your day (and the next several as you attempt to clean in it, reassemble it, and pray it works)

Just like paintball, 95% of the time, the person will call themselves out when you shoot them... if they feel it, which you often don't, 6mm or 68cal. The other 5% you have to shoot until they can't handle the pain anymore. My personal rule is to shoot them until they call themselves out. If the first one doesn't do it for them, 14 rps gets them to change their mind fast. Works almost everytime. Sometimes they run and you have to chase them, shooting them in the back and screaming that they're a worthless, n00b, cheating potato.

Airsoft guns shoot too flat :( Most like it.. I even do to a certain extent.. but I think it's very limiting. Since concealment is just as good as solid cover in both, paintball guns can let you drop shots and shoot around corners in a way airsoft guns simply can't.

If you want aggressive airsoft, you have to go to Japan. Unfortunately, all of the non-paintball airsoft players we've run into have this really bad idea stuck in their head... they want to be "tactical". Got a useless silencer and laser sight? That's tactical. Got a helmet on? That's tactical. Carrying an extra 30 pounds of crap that you're never, ever gonna use? That's tactical. Got a 10x scope for those scary very long range 50 yard engagements... that's tactical. Cornering 10 airsoft armed paintball players in a 40 on 10 situation and still having your flank rolled in 2 minutes... that's reality.

Sub... here's a drill Swarm (from the MA) taught me for those shots where they're just hanging out alittle bit. Say... the very edge of an elbow, heel, or toe is sticking out from their bunker...

Find yourself a friend with a stopwatch, and a good bunker, with your target bunker however far away you're comfortable with. Tape a quarter up at the target bunker. Just hanging off the side, on the bunker, doesn't really matter, as long as you have a quarter sized target. Tuck into your bunker, and post up on the quarter. Sit there tucked up and wait up to 5 minutes. When the command is given (it's kinda random to keep you on your toes), 1-shot the quarter. If you miss, get comfy, you get to do the fun wait part again.

Next, find yourself a telephone poll, tree.. whatever.. and tape up a row of paper plates about chest height. Back up to where you're comfortable, and begin walking in a circle and shooting the plates. Gradually pick up your pace. After awhile of this drill, you should be able to put all your shots into the plates at a dead run. Personally, this is what I'm really bad at. However, people that master this drill get very, very dangerous on the field.



Only problem with airsoft and paintball is that they're so far from realistic... it's gonna take Simunitions to really make it believable.

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2006, 02:03:27 PM »
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Just try an AK-47 or PSG-1 :D


Get whatever floats your boat, you're the one that gets to shoot it and carry it around :)

Edit: Don't be shocked when my P90 that is quiet, fast, and is everybit as accurate as your PSG-1 semi only Airsoft rifle :D
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