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Offline Maverick

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« on: June 12, 2006, 02:15:10 PM »
This story showed up today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060612/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_death_penalty;_ylt=AtVOSSIn92RIIvkjDRMNhnys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-

I think it's pure and unadulterated BS in this situation. Lethal injection is certainly far kinder than the death those inmates provided for their victims. :mad:


AAAARGH freaking link broke, here is the cut n paste.

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By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court opened the door Monday to new constitutional challenges to lethal injection, the method used by most states and the federal government to execute death row inmates.  
 
In an unanimous decision, the court allowed those condemned to die to make last-minute claims that the chemicals used are too painful — and therefore amount to cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Constitution's Eighth Amendment.

Justices, in a separate 5-3 ruling, also made it easier for death row inmates to challenge their convictions with new evidence. The court said Tennessee death-row inmate Paul Gregory House can use DNA evidence to try to get his conviction overturned in the 1985 murder of a neighbor.

"This is not a case of conclusive exoneration," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote in the decision, which permits House to proceed in federal court claiming innocence for the murder of Carolyn Muncey in Union County, Tenn., in July 1985.

The lethal injection ruling sets the stage for a nationwide legal battle over that subject, with the country's 3,300 death row inmates armed with a new tool to contest how they are put to death. Justices have never ruled on the constitutionality of a specific type of execution.

The winner in the case was Florida death row inmate Clarence Hill, who was strapped to a gurney with lines running into his arms to deliver the drugs when the Supreme Court in January intervened and blocked the execution.

Kennedy, writing for the court, said that while Hill and other inmates can file special appeals, they will not always be entitled to delays in their executions.

"Both the state and the victims of crime have an important interest in the timely enforcement of a sentence," he wrote.

Hill, convicted of killing a police officer, had run out of regular appeals so he went to court using a civil rights law claiming that his constitutional rights would be violated by Florida's lethal injection drug protocol. The court's decision renews his bid to have Florida change its chemical combination.

The decision is setback for Florida and other states that will have to defend more last-minute filings from inmates. More than two dozen states had filed arguments at the court seeking the opposite outcome. They said dragged-out appeals jeopardize justice for victims' families.

Lethal injection is the main method used by every state that has capital punishment except Nebraska. Nebraska still has the electric chair, although that, too, is being contested.

Kennedy said that Hill is not claiming that he cannot be executed, only that he should not be forced into a painful execution.

"Hill's challenge appears to leave the state free to use an alternative lethal injection procedure," Kennedy wrote.

Justices seemed worried about the possibility of pain when they took up Hill's case in April. Justice        John Paul Stevens told Florida's lawyer that their procedure would be banned for use to euthanize cats and dogs.

Following the Supreme Court's intervention in the Hill case, executions were stopped in California, Maryland and Missouri.

Hill's lawyer, D. Todd Doss, said Monday that the state can revise its method or try to defend its system in court.

"It is a good day in the sense that we get to litigate on the merits of this. We have an opportunity to litigate an execution claim," he said.

Retired Justice        Sandra Day O'Connor wrote the court's 2004 ruling in its last lethal injection case. Justices said then that an Alabama death row inmate could pursue a last-ditch claim that his death by lethal injection would be unconstitutionally cruel because of his damaged veins.

In Monday's ruling, Kennedy wrote that the court was only following precedent set in that case.

The case is Hill v. McDonough, 05-8794.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2006, 02:30:02 PM »
i thought one state had a firing squad as a option?

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2006, 02:38:19 PM »
I don't understand why we don't just chop off their heads.  It's neither cruel or unusual, it's quick and simple.

Given the choice, I know I'd much rather have my head cut off than any other form of execution done here in the U.S.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2006, 02:54:27 PM »
first off the link...

yahoo news likes to make you "email" the link.... choose email story, then there will be a "real" link you can copy and paste here...


chicken... you do realise most generally accept that your head stays alive for up to 10 seconds. you wanna see and feel that?




as for the article... how in the FFFF can anyone say "that the chemicals used are too painful..." there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing this at all :confused: :huh :O
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2006, 03:33:37 PM »
Perhaps a chair with a small shaped charge at neck level for the inmate. He sits, strapped in then boom. Instantaneous execution and the concussion should be plenty to induce instasnt unconsciousness for the recipiant. No pain, very fast, just messy.

It would be rough to keep chairs in stock but if ya gotta you could modify a lawn chair and use some wood to mount the shaped charge. Oh yes make sure you use multiple caps to insure ignition.

It could work.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2006, 04:09:53 PM »
my question on lethal injection... why do they prep the arm with alcohol and use a sterilized needle when performing this function... i dont think dead people will complain about an infection... :huh

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2006, 04:13:53 PM »


The shaped charge idea is interesting, but gawd that would be messy and there sure as hell wouldn't be any open casket funerals.  :D  It does get around the cruel and unusual requirements, though.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2006, 04:14:01 PM »
Hmmm... isn't hypoxia fairly painless?
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2006, 04:32:25 PM »
40,000 uncomplaining frenchmen can't be wrong. :aok


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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2006, 04:36:06 PM »
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Hmmm... isn't hypoxia fairly painless?


Too long to implement. I'd see this as failing the cruel and unusual test quite easily.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2006, 04:46:53 PM »
I'm pretty sure the shaped charge would fail the "unusual" part of the cruel and unusual punishment clause.

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2006, 04:50:35 PM »
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Hmmm... isn't hypoxia fairly painless?


Ask some republi-bot ... their brain are oxygen deprived since january 2001.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2006, 05:10:00 PM »
I'd be curious to see the arguments for the charge being unusual.  As long as bombs are internationally considered to be acceptable forms of warfare, I don't really see why they're too unusal for the scum of society.  

Has the SC ever established a test for "unusual"?

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2006, 05:14:00 PM »
Almost anything that causes instant death will fall under either the cruel or the unusual designation.

The Russians at one time used a pistol shot to the base of the skull.

Any form of electrocution, beheading, hanging, or gas inhalation will fit one or both categories, at least according to some.

The firing squad will as well. Since the subject is shot in the chest, it takes time for the brain to die. Of course, it wouldn't be nearly as "nice" and "neat" if they were shot in the head instead, but death would be more likely to be instant.

A more appropriate phrase would be "unreasonably crual and unusual", since the subject is in fact being put to death.
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2006, 06:59:53 PM »
dead in an Airbus crash, certainly not unusual...





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