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« on: June 13, 2006, 06:59:21 AM »
http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2006/fax20060612.asp

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   The investigation isn't over, but on May 17 NBC Nightly News opted to put the story back in the headlines after comments from anti-war Congressman John Murtha. From that date through June 7, the networks have aired 99 stories or segments suggesting U.S. military misconduct — three and a half hours of coverage in three weeks. ABC has hit the story the hardest, with 85½ minutes of coverage on Good Morning America, World News Tonight, This Week and Nightline. NBC aired 67 minutes on Today, Nightly News and Meet the Press, while CBS broadcast 58 minutes on The Early Show, CBS Evening News and Face the Nation.



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Major Mark Mitchell, U.S. Army: In November 2001, after Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners attempted to seize control of the prison at Mazer-e-Sharif in Afghanistan, the Army Special Forces Major led an effort to quell the revolt and rescue two CIA operatives caught inside the prison. According to an account in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Mitchell moved in to the prison "with no body army or helmet and vastly outnumbered....From a vulnerable position on the wall, he directed air strikes that proved vital in defeating the Taliban fighters at the fortress....Even when an errant bomb injured nine of his men — more than half — he was able to evacuate the injured and direct the remaining soldiers as they repelled the Taliban attacks." The first recipient of the Distinguished Service Cross in nearly 30 years, Mitchell at the Nov. 13, 2003 award ceremony told his wife and daughters, "You’re the only people I ever hoped would consider me a hero."

Chief Petty Officer Stephen Bass, U.S. Navy: In November 2001, Bass was also at the Mazer-e-Sharif prison as the captured terrorist prisoners attempted to seize the facility. According to the citation that accompanied his Navy Cross, Bass was "engaged continuously by direct small arms fire, indirect mortar fire and rocket propelled grenade fire" as he entered the prison to try and recover the two CIA operatives inside. Bass made multiple attempts to gain access to the missing Americans only to have "large volumes of fire falling on his position." After darkness fell, he made a dash to the center of the prison. "Running low on ammunition, he utilized weapons from deceased Afghans to continue his rescue attempt. Upon verifying the condition of the American citizen, he withdrew from the fortress. By his outstanding display of decisive leadership, unlimited courage in the face of enemy fire, and utmost devotion to duty, Chief Petty Officer Bass reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

Senior Chief Petty Officer Britt Slabinski, U.S. Navy: On March 3, 2002, in Operation Anaconda in eastern Afghanistan, Slabinski led a seven man reconnaissance team into a mountain position to support an offensive by U.S. Army forces. According to Slabinski’s Navy Cross citation, the group’s helicopter was met by "unrelenting rocket propelled grenade (RPG) and small arms fire by entrenched enemy forces," and one of the group ejected himself from the helicopter, which later made a controlled crash. Despite the overwhelming enemy presence, Slabinski led the group on a mission to attempt to rescue their missing comrade, engaging "multiple enemy positions" and killing several terrorists as they searched. When their "position became untenable," Slabinski led a tactical withdrawal, "an arduous movement through the mountainous terrain, constantly under fire, covering over one kilometer in waist-deep snow, while carrying a seriously wounded teammate." In a defensible position, Slabinski kept up the fight for 14 hours until the enemy was defeated. According to the citation: "During this entire sustained engagement, Senior Chief Petty Officer Slabinski exhibited classic grace under fire in steadfastly leading the intrepid rescue mission, saving the lives of his wounded men and setting the conditions for the ultimate vanquishing of the enemy."

Technical Sergeant John Chapman, U.S. Air Force: During the fierce fighting of Operation Anaconda on March 4, 2002, a rocket-propelled grenade hit Sgt. Chapman’s helicopter, causing Navy Petty Officer Neil Roberts to fall to the ground and into enemy hands. Chapman volunteered for a small rescue party, and he killed two enemy fighters before his group came under fire from three directions. Cut off from the rest of his men, "he exchanged fire with the enemy from minimal personal cover until he succumbed to multiple wounds," according to his citation. "His Navy sea-air-land team leader credits Sergeant Chapman unequivocally with saving the lives of the entire rescue team." Sgt. Chapman’s widow and two daughters received his Air Force Cross on January 10, 2003.

Senior Airman Jason Cunningham, U.S. Air Force: Airman Cunningham, a pararescue medic, was part of a quick reaction force sent by helicopter to assist Sgt. Chapman’s rescue team on March 4, 2002. Before it could land, Cunningham’s helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and both pilots suffered gunshot wounds. The Rangers trying to exit the helicopter faced immediate intense gunfire, and Cunningham the medic immediately began working on casualties. Realizing the helicopter wreckage was a target for enemy fire, Cunningham dragged wounded troops across the line of enemy fire seven times, only to be forced to move the wounded a second and third time. During the last movement, Cunningham was shot twice, but even after he was wounded, he continued to treat patients. Airman Cunningham died of his injuries before helicopters could be brought in to evacuate the wounded, but all the men whom Cunningham had treated survived their ordeal. His widow, Theresa, accepted Cunningham’s Air Force Cross on Sept. 13, 2002.

Hospitalman Apprentice Louis E. Fonseca, U.S. Navy: On March 23, 2003 Fonseca was with U.S. Marines in an amphibious assault vehicle, part of a convoy sent to capture the Saddam Canal Bridge. Just after the vehicles crossed the bridge, they were ambushed, attacked on all sides. Fonseca left his vehicle to attend to five Marines wounded when a rocket-propelled grenade hit their vehicle, which was still burning. He attended to two Marines with badly injured legs, then enlisted others to help transport the wounded back to his own vehicle. As described in the book Home of the Brave: Honoring the Unsung Heroes in the War on Terror, "the 5 feet 5, 140-pound Fonseca had a 6-feet, 210-pound Marine draped over his back and was dodging enemy fire all the way." Fonseca exposed himself to enemy fire again when he heard reports of additional wounded Marines. According to his citation, "his timely and effective care undoubtedly saved the lives of numerous casualties." The Secretary of the Navy gave Fonseca the Navy Cross on August 11, 2004.

Gunnery Sergeant Justin D. Lehew, U.S. Marine Corps: On March 23, 2003, Sgt. Lehew and his men aided in the rescue of wounded soldiers from an earlier Iraqi ambush, then went about trying to secure a Euphrates River bridge. As Lehew recounted to a military Web site, once his men were on the bridge it was briefly quiet, then "all it once it seemed like Armagedden opened up from all angles of the streets....Swarms of Iraqis started converging on our positions. There had to have been hundreds." According to his citation, Sgt. Lehew "continuously exposed himself to withering enemy fire during the three-hour urban firefight." He told the military Web site that Iraqi fire was coming from windows, doorways and cars: "They were using women holding babies as spotters. But we had to hold the bridge at all costs." As the Iraqi attack progressed, Sgt. Lehew and his men helped evacuate 77 casualties. He received the Navy Cross on July 24, 2004 for "his outstanding display of decisive leadership, unlimited courage in the face of heavy enemy fire, and utmost devotion to duty."

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 11:07:44 AM »
You guys can say what you want about me after I stae my opinion.

THE MEDIA DOES NOT BELONG IN A WAR ZONE. NEWS FROM THE WAR ZONE SHOULD BE HEAVILY CENSORED.

Once the media gets set against something, all you ever hear is the negative. Our troops need our support at home, and I think the less the average joe knows about what is going on over there, the better. When it comes to the affairs of the military, the population needs to mind their own ****ing business.

All this touchy feely stuff that is forced on us (the military) makes it harder to get the job done. People need to understand that this is a WAR. Bad stuff happens. How many thousands of troops do we have over there, yet there have only been a handful of instances where our guys have comitted atrocities.

Frankly I could care less who they are killing over there. You can't tell me that in an area where insurgents are operating, the ENTIRE village doesn't know about it. Not telling us about insurgents locations or booby traps makes the civilians just as guilty, and worthy of being shot.

For all you non supporters and jerks propagating all this hate towards the military and how we do business. You can all just go  ***k yourselves.

Should we be there or not? Who the **** knows. But we are there and the media and all the haters just need to F*** off and let us do our jobs. Maybe if we could just work and not have to worry about who is watching, this would be done much quicker.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 11:33:37 AM »
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THE MEDIA DOES NOT BELONG IN A WAR ZONE. NEWS FROM THE WAR ZONE SHOULD BE HEAVILY CENSORED.


Yes mein Fuhrer! Vi muzt keep zi opinionz popular wiz zi plebz!


Just food for thought... how are we supposed to know how poorly a politican (and/or general staff) is running a war effort? Aside from the stories from mangled veterans who are the victims of getting crap equipment and sent to do a job they weren't trained for in the first place.

imho, should be balanced coverage, not one way or the other.

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 11:39:48 AM »
The problem with the "Balanced" news is that it isn't that way. I think as a society we've proven too stupid to pick out the truth in the news. And since no network is balanced, they are either Lib or Conservative..You will never get FACTUAL stories from any one network. So who decides what coverage is balanced?
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 12:03:51 PM »
Nobody does. That's the glory of democracy. I don't think I'd want it any other way. I'd rather have to flip through a dozen channels and a dozen websites piecing together a picture, than have the US Government tell me what's going on in the world.

This is the same government that took roughly 100 years to repeal a few cent phone tax to pay for the war against Spain, datamines its own population, and can't even secure the borders. You actually trust them to do anything well? :)

Here's an idea... with these true to life heroes winning DSC's & other awards... obviously the army's publicist sucks. We don't know enough about them or their actions. A good publicist, marketing strategy, and pr group can fix that. Army of One was freakin' great. Outsource it to whoever did those commercials. I'm kinda suprised there was not a contract between press companies & the US military. You get to imbed a reporter with such & such unit, but medals and humanitarian stories must be printed on the first few pages at a duration of 1 per however long, for the entire time the reporter is embedded. Kind of a fine line to walk to keep them embedded, but I think a compromise could be reached.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 12:12:02 PM »
I don't trust the governmant at all.

Which sux because I am dependant on my job working for it. Not only that, but I am part of the policy enforcment part of it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 12:20:20 PM »
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I don't trust the governmant at all.

Which sux because I am dependant on my job working for it. Not only that, but I am part of the policy enforcment part of it.


And I thank you for remaining in the system... men like you remain our best hope against tyranny.

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2006, 02:48:45 PM »
can you imagine what it would be like if the media had mentality of today back in WW2.


"as the bombing campaign continues to destroy the german industry many wondered wether the amount of destruction was worth it.."








thats probabley what would have been on the front page of the new york times

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2006, 02:49:04 PM »
the only good news that can come from a war is that it is over...or that someone you didn't like got pwnd bigtime, but thats a slippery slope....:noid :noid :noid

i forgot hot D.P.s, i'm all for that too
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2006, 03:12:20 PM »
You've got a lot of factors here.

First, the "If it Bleeds, It Lead" production of the news.... Bad news gets far more coverage than good news.  Human nature at work here.  Why do you think the "fluff" and "human interest" stories at at the end of any program?

Second. American public's microwave mentality and attention span.  Majority of American's don't spend that much time of the issues.  Many fail to vote, or understand the issues or candidate they are voting for (must be why we keep getting prospects that are NOT worth voting for, but that is a chicken and egg argument at best).  Vote the bumbs out don't work.... everyone hates the thieves in congress....but they keep voting for THEIR thief.

As a result, we don't get news, we get SOUND-BITES.  In fact, it is amazing that the only information I see coming out of the White House for years now could be classified as simple sound bites.  Just repeating the same jargon, key phrases, and endless mantra.... with little detail.   We don't demand more information, so we don't get it.  What news?

Disconnect.  What I saw in the news and papers when home on leave was SOOO different to the reality on the ground in Iraq.  Like two different worlds.

Some of the good deeds that are not getting reported, are not all that good.  Kind of frustrating to build and equip a school for kids, when a couple weeks later their teachers are dragged into the streets and killed in front of those same kids.  I have no problem with coverage of a war zone, but people have very unreal ideas of what happens in a war zone.  Not at all in touch with the reality.  But, by the same token, people should know what a war entails and be prepared to pay the cost, and hold their leaders accountable for the conduct of that war.

How to fight a war in the Middle East?
Temüjin and his grandson Hulagu knew how to do that!  (Go ahead...edumacate yerself!)  But their way of dealing with the middle east with iron first and no compasion or mercy is against western ideals.  The begining of western civilization's decline may very well one day be traced to trying to civilize warfare.  When you fight a war...you need to fight the war.

What really gets me is the same people overseas that rail against American atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, have no problem with videos showing the decapitation of hostages being broadcast, and celebrate when many casualties result from a suicide bomber.
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2006, 03:31:45 PM »
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You guys can say what you want about me after I stae my opinion.

THE MEDIA DOES NOT BELONG IN A WAR ZONE. NEWS FROM THE WAR ZONE SHOULD BE HEAVILY CENSORED.
 


Yeah! In fact, this should be done retroactively. I think all the WW2 books by Ernie Pyle should get rounded up and burned. We don't want kids thinking that is a good model to follow. Hemmingway, Stephen Crane, Walter Cronkite in the streets of Saigon. What the hell were they thinking? More harm than good, that's for sure.

I think we'd all have been much happier as Americans if we had just allowed General Westmoreland to do what he wanted - how he wanted, and to only tell us what he wanted us to hear about how the war was going over there. I'm sure that the Cambodians would have preferred it that way, too.

And what's with the Army allowing embedded reporters now? That will only end in tears. Look what happened to that lady from ABC and that other news anchor with Lizzy Vargas, the one who took shrapnel to the head. What an idiot! He should have stayed home. I learned nothing from watching Bagdad ER on HBO except that doctors are a bunch of whiners and should suck it up and just learn to patch up wounds and keep their mouths shut.

This whole free press, what a bunch of hoohah. Didn't help Washington kick King George out of the harbor, didn't help Lincoln *OR* Freddy Douglas, just a bunch of malarkey. Useless at helping us understand what REALLY happened, only the general and battle commanders notes prove to be reliable historical records.

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2006, 04:14:08 PM »
Say what you want about me Don Equis.

In this day and age..I don't believe in a free press.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2006, 05:03:23 PM »
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http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2006/fax20060612.asp

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Technical Sergeant John Chapman, U.S. Air Force: During the fierce fighting of Operation Anaconda on March 4, 2002, a rocket-propelled grenade hit Sgt. Chapman’s helicopter, causing Navy Petty Officer Neil Roberts to fall to the ground and into enemy hands. Chapman volunteered for a small rescue party, and he killed two enemy fighters before his group came under fire from three directions. Cut off from the rest of his men, "he exchanged fire with the enemy from minimal personal cover until he succumbed to multiple wounds," according to his citation. "His Navy sea-air-land team leader credits Sergeant Chapman unequivocally with saving the lives of the entire rescue team." Sgt. Chapman’s widow and two daughters received his Air Force Cross on January 10, 2003.

Senior Airman Jason Cunningham, U.S. Air Force: Airman Cunningham, a pararescue medic, was part of a quick reaction force sent by helicopter to assist Sgt. Chapman’s rescue team on March 4, 2002. Before it could land, Cunningham’s helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and both pilots suffered gunshot wounds. The Rangers trying to exit the helicopter faced immediate intense gunfire, and Cunningham the medic immediately began working on casualties. Realizing the helicopter wreckage was a target for enemy fire, Cunningham dragged wounded troops across the line of enemy fire seven times, only to be forced to move the wounded a second and third time. During the last movement, Cunningham was shot twice, but even after he was wounded, he continued to treat patients. Airman Cunningham died of his injuries before helicopters could be brought in to evacuate the wounded, but all the men whom Cunningham had treated survived their ordeal. His widow, Theresa, accepted Cunningham’s Air Force Cross on Sept. 13, 2002.

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The heroic actions of these two and the rest of the men of our Special Operations Forces on that day in Afghanistan are shown in the book "Roberts Ridge" by Malcolm MacPherson.  I could not put the book down during my seven hour flight to a TDY.  I still couldn't put it down when I resumed the book on the flight back.  Highly recommended.  

Media balance?  Who, what, when, where.  In general terms only.  "The Air Force bombed a house in Iraq and killed al-Zarqawi today."  Period.  Why and how?  No, not for everything.  I doubt the average citizen really cares it was an F-16 that dropped a 500lb. guided bomb.  And I really didn't see the point in making a story about how al-Zarqawi didn't die immediately and such.  Years down the road when the news is no longer current, and the information is no longer sensitive - yes, go ahead and go into more detail.

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2006, 05:27:55 PM »
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You guys can say what you want about me after I stae my opinion.

THE MEDIA DOES NOT BELONG IN A WAR ZONE. NEWS FROM THE WAR ZONE SHOULD BE HEAVILY CENSORED.


For the sake of argument let’s say that the US government tried to implement such a censorship. How would you go about enforcing it? Most of the news stories coming out of war zones are written by freelance journalists working for press companies like AP or Reuters. The stories are then sold to the various news outlets around the world.

How can the government censor the media when most of it isn’t in US jurisdiction?