Author Topic: Some people can't be helped (Read 1201 times)

Cr0ssEye · « **on:** June 16, 2006, 01:59:10 PM »

Ok This is straight up whine so serve cheese please!

Me and some squadies go to TA to play around. Lots of Newbs on I mean alot of NEWBS. poor Batfink trys to help a couple and is bombarded by typers. ( board was scrolling pretty fast) . No trainers on.
So I put out a broadcast and type for all the newbs. " anyone wants to learn to fly come to A5 and I will teach you to fly P51." I post how to move, give a channel #, and all the stuff. several say yeah sounds good. So I'm sitting on the runway at A5. Nobody was At A5 thats why I chose it. The first two planes to up are a 262 and a 163. So i think well they just "happened" to come here to dogfight away from the crowd. WRONG
they both turn back on the runway to Vulch me and my squadie in p51's who are there to help new players.
Point is there was a call out for players to stop in the TA and help out due to the huge influx of summer newbs. WELL I TRIED.
There is nothing I can say about these to people that skuzzy won't have to delete so I will just leave it at that.

croduh · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:04:23 PM »

Well they can't kill you in TA !:huh

Airscrew · « **Reply #2 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:07:06 PM »

killshooter is not turned on in the TA?
Also email HTC with the info, posting it here just works everybody up in a lather and accomplishes nothing

Krusty · « **Reply #3 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:10:57 PM »

Last I recall the lethality was set to zero in the TA....

Vudak · « **Reply #4 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:13:07 PM »

Well, if they're complete and total newbies, probably the best you can hope for is what Batfink apparently was doing... Fielding a million questions... Maybe not the most rewarding job, but surely helpful to the training corps all the same.

It's just from your post I get the impression that these were people completely new to flight sims seeing how many questions they were asking... Trying to teach them the P51 at that stage may be pushing it... At least it will probably prove a pretty taxing endeavor for you...

Cr0ssEye · « **Reply #5 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:18:55 PM »

Let me be clear about this.
I know they can't kill you in the TA.
I don't even care if some is shooting at me or not cause you get no damage.
Its just the point of it. It's like kids hiding on the side of the road throwing rocks.
You all know what I am talking about, I am talking about intentional Griefers.
I posted this to point out that I tried to help and got griefed for it. now if u want to be constructuive point out to me how to work around or with these kind of people. Because I feel it is hopeless.
I Don't feel like it would be legitimate for me to ask for these newbs to be banned therefore I am not going to PM HITECH about it. If we are spose to PM hitech about every issue we have, WHY HAVE A FORUMS?

Cr0ssEye · « **Reply #6 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:25:09 PM »

I grabbed the P51 because its a good all around plane and most newbs recognize it. If you check my record you'll see I fly all kinds of stuff.
In my opinion if some of us would go to the TA and start newbs out in different planes we would have a better chance of seeing these planes in the MA.
By the way i am flying the 109 F4 this week. Widewing is right this plane handle great.

101ABN · « **Reply #7 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:26:12 PM »

i tried helping folks in the TA before and i remember some AH vets doing the same thing to the noobs i was with.. i know that it cant kill you or damage your plane, its just a major distractor..

Cr0ssEye · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:30:22 PM »

my point exactly 101. Someone knows you are trying to help so they try to disrupt you. Its very childish

Airscrew · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:32:13 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Cr0ssEye
now if u want to be constructuive point out to me how to work around or with these kind of people. Because I feel it is hopeless.
I Don't feel like it would be legitimate for me to ask for these newbs to be banned therefore I am not going to PM HITECH about it. If we are spose to PM hitech about every issue we have, WHY HAVE A FORUMS?

1. You cant help people like this
2. that is why you email HTC, let them deal with it. If they are noobs they will attempt to correct the behavior or else deal with them as they see fit.

Cr0ssEye · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:47:54 PM »

Airscrew I agree In a way and I disagree.
If it was clearly vets that were attempting to disrupt on purpose then Yeah its a PM getem nailed to the wall thing.
But this isn't vets its noobs no doubt about it. I stand by what i say "on that point" if we r spose to PM Headaches like this why have a forums.

I will go you one better if I am spose to PM this, then rule # 1 should read.
(If you are unhappy about ANYTHING you can only PM it. The forum boards are for HAPPY thoughts only. AND HAVE A NICE DAY!)

WMLute · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:54:53 PM »

take a screen shot, and if you don't wanna send it to HT, send it to trainers@hitechcreations.com.

I'm sure at the least the Trainers would want to be aware of who is doing this. Just like if you fly in a Special Event SnapShot and something goes bad that I didn't catch, I would want to know.

PM or email me.

Airscrew · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2006, 03:04:27 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Cr0ssEye
if we r spose to PM Headaches like this why have a forums.

Forums are here so you and I and others can discuss issues, the game, problems, get help, ask questions. we can rant and argue all we want but that does not solve the problem of a couple of dweebs causing problems in one of the arenas. HTC (Hitech, Pryo, Skuzzy, etc...) do not spend their entire day sitting on these forums. If someone is causing problems then it needs to be emailed to HTC for them to deal with, doesnt matter if they are vets or newbs. This makes sure they see it in a timely manner so it can be dealt with.
I would say though your first action would be politely to ask them to stop the antisocial behaviour, its possible that a newbie is not aware their actions are incorrect. but after that report them if they continue to disrupt the arena. Also what WMlute said

Cr0ssEye · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2006, 03:19:07 PM »

Airscrew and WMLute
On the last two points You are Wise as always. Thank you for your input.
Discussing this here I have gained insight and and feel my attempts at being a helpful Player were not in total failure as I have brought to light the woes faced by those who try to help. I feel somewhat vindicated and I am prepared to take to the skys once again.

PS the only way to get things recorded is to record all the time and I am not going to do that. U never think to hit record right when something is happening.

OK I through whining... WHERE'S MY CHEESE?

Blooz · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2006, 04:21:24 PM »

If a person wants to learn to do something in the TA they will usually ask for help.

The ones that are totally lost eventually learn to communicate (either by themselves or a 'reminder' message) then ask for help.

The ones that are there just to fight usually just up and start shooting.

The ones that are there to teach usually have to wait for someone to ask for help.

When you do try to help, you can get a feel for the other persons attitude (personality?). Some people just want to ask a million questions about every facet of the game and some have the patience to actually listen and comprehend what you are trying to teach.

If you are teaching while flying, pick a field that is as far from A1 as possible.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can try to help but only those that want the help are going to be able to be helped.