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Offline WhiteHawk

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« Reply #90 on: June 18, 2006, 07:58:55 AM »
So what happened to convinc eht egovt that healthy teeth is good for the mass population?  Obvious answer: a healthy population.  But why inject a 'arguably' dangerous classified toxic drug into the water supply and not calcium? Calcium is far more benificial to  the bones and teeth than fluoiride?  How about vitamin C? How about potassium?  And insteaad of giving us a free ride on the vitamin a and d to prevent rickets, we have to pay for it in  our milk?  No, I think fluoride is a stand alone here.  If its job is to prevent tooth decay then why do we have to drink it?  Why would they put it in a vehicle that goes right down the drain? You see the basic questions that make this  a conspiracy theroy go unanswered.  Is injecting fluoride into our water supply the BEST and SAFEST way to promote healthy teeth?  ITs obvious and proven that fluoride is NOT NECESSARY for healthy teeth.  Millions go on without it.    They cant even find a difference in the communities that have fluoride and those that do not as far as tooth decay.  They do not even bother to check for a relationship between fluoiride and alzhiemers, add, bone cancer, and a host of other diseases.  These studies are left to the public health groups who are then vilified as conspiracy whackos.

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« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2006, 08:04:04 AM »
You still never answered the question.

What TV show did you watch this on that set off this most recent bout of paranoia?:)
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« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2006, 08:22:27 AM »
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And how many children have you heard about that died from toothpaste lately?

the number is so rediculously small that it makes it an acceptable risk.

I am curious though. Which TV show did you see allthis on that suddenly perked your concern over all this?




I have not heard of any children dying of toothpaste poisoning.  They problem is long term health effects, so we wouldnt hear of childrin dying of toothpawte poisoning.  We would be wondering why there are so many ADD cases, alzhiemers on the rise, cancer is soon to be the number 1 killer in adults, 1 in 2 adult males will get cancer.  Sure fluoride is not soley responsible, but does it contribute?  Like you say, I make my choice.  I am fluoirde free except for my toothpaste, and you cant find a fluoirde less toothpaste at the store.  And you make yours. We are both ahppy with that decision.

Like I said, there is a difference between acceptable and neccesary risks.  To get the full benefit of fluoride, if there is any, you need not DRINK it.  Therefore, to put it in DRINKING water, 99.5% of which is going down the drain is at least inefficient to the point of stupidity, as well as unnecessary.

I didnt get this from a tv show, I was working with a group of disabled kids for the church picnic, after lunch they all were suppose to brush thier teeth, a harmless activity for a mentally disabled child eh?  Half of them were putting globs of paste on thier toothbrush and using the thing like a lollipop, luckily, i thought the danger was one of them falling and jamming it down thier throats, so I had them put them away. Thats when I saw the poison control warning on the back of the tube.  If you want to know the truth about fluoride, call poison control and tell them your 3 year old may have swallowed half a tube of toothpaste.  

So i answered your questions, can you answer mine?  Can you think of a 'better safe than sorry' way to get fluoride to the teeth than injecting it in water?  or is that the only alternative?

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« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2006, 08:27:55 AM »
Read these warning labels from the back of a tube of a well known brand of toothpaste:

Active Ingredient Sodium Fluoride 0.243%.

Use helps protect against cavities Warnings Keep out of reach of children under 6 yrs. of age.   If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.  

Directions:   adults and children 2 yrs & older:  brush teeth thoroughly after meals or at least twice a day or use as directed by a dentist * do not swallow  * to minimize swallowing us a pea-sized amount in children under 6 * supervise children's brushing until good habits are established * children under 2 years, ask a dentist.

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« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2006, 08:51:52 AM »
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 If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.  
Ah yes, well I suppose they would have a warning like that, in the land of litigation. I've just looked on my own toothpaste tube, and could find no such dire warning - just the one about using a pea sized amount to minimise swallowing.

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« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2006, 09:52:07 AM »
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Ah yes, well I suppose they would have a warning like that, in the land of litigation. I've just looked on my own toothpaste tube, and could find no such dire warning - just the one about using a pea sized amount to minimise swallowing.


Well, its on my toothpaste tube.  I can put 2 and 2 together.  If you swallow more than is needed for brushing, seek medical help or call poison control immediatley.  Fluoride is poisonous.  Deadly poison in the concentration of a tube of toothpaste.  I'll error to the side of caution with my water.  A simple rinse and spit with fluoridated water does every bit as good as drinking 8 to 10 glasses a day.  Its funny how they confuse volume with time.  The bonding of fluoride to the enamal of a tooth is a function of time, not volume.  They should say rinse with water for 2 to 3 minutes throught the day.  Swallow if you dare, spit if your paranoid.

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« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2006, 10:48:53 AM »
very small amounts of flouride are probably harmless and at the same time...do help prevent tooth decay in children.   At the same time....with todays dentistry and the ability to give the much more effective flouride treatments to childrens teeth it is pretty much unnessary.

On the flip side... very small amounts of flouride have a determental affect on adults teeth.   Not much but measureable.   Adding anything to water is a risk... flouride is a potent toxin in realtively small doses.

Some safeguards you might take with flouridated water are that you should not keep a pot on the stove for say tea or hot drinks and simply add water to it as needed... the flouride will accumulate.   If you are an adult... the less flouride you ingest the better.. bottled water now and then is not that bad of an idea although.... the worst case scenario with flouride levels is not all that bad.

There is some evidence that flouride allows other metals to be absorbed but... not to any really meaningful way at this time.  Still...

Why bother with flouride?   If you can afford to send your kids to the dentist then it is pretty much not needed in the water.... If you can't afford to send your kids to the dentist... their teeth are doomed in any case.  flouride in the water or not.

You can also buy floride pills for children and they are inexpensive.

My take...  It is probly not the best idea to put Cl2 or flouride in the water.... Most plants are not using cl2 anymore (ultraviolet disinfection) even tho the effects of cl2 in the water have not been a real problem in the past.  We have done it for decades..

but... just like flouride... why do it?   Why add anything with real potential for harm if there are alternatives that work as well without the risk?

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« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2006, 01:17:41 PM »
Maybe it's the other ingredients in the toothpaste rather than the flouride that the warning is about.
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« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2006, 02:43:02 PM »
Maverick...oddly enough, that was the only ingredient listed on my tube of toothpaste.

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« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2006, 02:45:05 PM »
There has to be other "stuff" in there. You know flavoring, polishing media, binders etc. etc. as toothpaste isn't just flouride.
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« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2006, 04:01:25 PM »
Well, is ure hope fluoride is the most toxic ingredient in toothpaste, or we'll have yet another conspiracy theory on our hands.:D

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« Reply #101 on: June 18, 2006, 04:39:34 PM »
I propose that Beetle should prove that the toothpaste warnings are all BS by consuming a tube of toothpaste as an experiment. :D

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« Reply #102 on: June 18, 2006, 04:48:22 PM »
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I propose that Beetle should prove that the toothpaste warnings are all BS by consuming a tube of toothpaste as an experiment. :D


I am going to write my water supplier and ask him to comment on the dangers of fluoride, who decides to put it in the water, and if we have any choice in the matter.  I will post his answers.  Its really strange, as I cannot find anybody who will take the "credit" for implementing the fluoride thing.  Its 'a group of dentists'.  Wasnt mengele a dentist?

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« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2006, 05:18:53 PM »
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I propose that Beetle should prove that the toothpaste warnings are all BS by consuming a tube of toothpaste as an experiment. :D
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« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2006, 07:25:02 PM »
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