Author Topic: FLuoride.. (Read 2036 times)

Brenjen · « **Reply #60 on:** June 17, 2006, 04:27:30 PM »

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And Brenjin, it's not "just because". That has been pointed out one million and one times now.

Yes it is. My toothpaste & my mouthwash have flouride in it & my dentist gives me a flouride rinse after every cleaning. It's added to the water, "just because"

beet1e · « **Reply #61 on:** June 17, 2006, 05:11:38 PM »

It's embarrassing - I find myself 100% in agreement with MiniD.

I remember having to cover this fluoride thing for Biology O Level at school. Fluoride was added to the water that came into my house, but only at 1ppm (part per million). At that concentration it is completely harmless. At 3ppm, according to my school studies, some mottling occurs to children's teeth.

Why put fluoride in the water? Like MiniD says - to fight tooth decay. Frequent visitors to this board will have noticed the dental "jokes" and other jibes directed at the Brits. And amongst the children of working class families in the 1960s and earlier, there were indeed problems, not least because many houses of poor people did not have bathrooms, and there was no ready supply of running water, so kids born into these familes tended not to brush their teeth. I know, because I was at school with some of them in the 1960s. In my view, it is these children who were the main beneficiaries of fluoridation of the water supply.

In the post war years, the government strove to improve the nation's health - school milk was provided, essential for teeth and bones. Of course, the neocon freedom of choice radicals will be along to say that "children should have the freedom to choose whether or not to have rotten teeth". To which I say - Don't talk bollocks.

storch · « **Reply #62 on:** June 17, 2006, 05:16:48 PM »

no running water in homes in england in the latter half of the 20th century?

beet1e · « **Reply #63 on:** June 17, 2006, 05:30:38 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
no running water in homes in england in the latter half of the 20th century?

Storch - my school was in a street called Mellor St. The school was down one side and there was a row of Victorian terraced houses down the other side. I knew someone who lived in one of these Mellor St. houses. There were 3 bedrooms but no bathroom and no inside toilet. There was ONE tap (faucet) in the entire house - a cold tap over the kitchen sink - that was IT. Some of these folks would go to public baths to get clean, others would have a tin bath which hung up outside when not in use, and this would be brought in and placed in front of the fire. Water heated in kettles over the fire would be poured into the bath - you got in, did your thing and then bailed the water out... As for the toilet - there would be ONE outside toilet shared between two houses. This was in the mid 1960s. Check out a movie called "East is East" - it's about an Anglo-Pakistani family living in Manchester c1971 - the scant plumbing shown in that movie (with overnight piss buckets in the bedrooms, and one outside toilet) is how it was for many poor families back then.

I was fortunate enough to have been born into a relatively privileged family, with heat, hot and cold running water, and an inside toilet. Our outside toilet would freeze up in winter! Burst pipes were commonplace. Oh what memories...

Brenjen · « **Reply #64 on:** June 17, 2006, 06:01:04 PM »

My - My, you Brits had it rough. My dad was living in an army surplus tent & burning coal they picked up off the train tracks for heat & cooking when he was a kid. They had to bring water in from a filthy brown river in buckets, the river at that time had a rendering plant upriver a few miles so even after boiling the water it still stunk.

It's tough on the poor everywhere; we are truly one people.

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At that concentration it is completely harmless.

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......or so they believe, how many times have you seen one study contradict another? It's long term exposure & use that will tell the tale & even then the responsible parties may not discover the true facts for several decades or more.

I saw a study the other day about rats living in sewers & on farms having better immune systems than lab rats & the links they were making to athsma & allergies. The headline on the article was "Clean living leads to sick children" & it's only a theory at this stage & not proven. (I agree with the theory btw) I find this seems to happen a lot in modern societies, the "I'm smarter than you so don't question my opinions" attitude. Sad really.

SmokinSS · « **Reply #65 on:** June 17, 2006, 06:01:55 PM »

I don't drink water. Fish have sex in that stuff and drinking that is just plain nasty.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #66 on:** June 17, 2006, 06:02:15 PM »

I remember reading somewhere about a year ago that they noticed that since this moronic bottled water craze became popular there has been a noticed rise in tooth decay.

::Shrugs::

Silly arguement really.
Causes cancer? Bah!
In my almost 45 years I have drawn several conclusions.

One of which is that I noticed that if you study anything long enough you will find it either causes cancer or is no good for you.

I personally dont worry about the water.
I keep bottled water in the house cause that what my daugher prefers to take to school with her for lunch as opposed to a juice drink.
And If I hapen to run out I take one of her old bottles, Rince it out and fill it with watrer from my UNFILTERED Tap.

Im not worried about drinking unfiltered tap water or water from a garden hose.
Im not worried if there is, or isnt floride in my tap water.

Of the water I do buy. I dont go out of my way for a specific brand
of this so called "spring Water" Or other specialty water where the only real difference between that water and the water comming out of my faucet.....
IS THE FRIGGEN FAUCET IT CAME OUT OF!

And I sure as watermelon dont partake in this recent braindead habit and go carrying around a bottle of store bought water whereever I go. Like I was trekking across the Sahara and it might be days before we reach the next flipping Oasis

Its water people. get over it. Floride added or not. Unless your water supply has been contaminated by some factory dumping chemicals into the ground for years and years. OR you live in an area like say...Florida, where the water itself is fine. it just tastes and smells like rotten eggs.
And unless you live in a very remote rural area.

Your probably more at risk from breathing the polluted air. Then drinking unfiltered water out of your tap.

You've been duped people. The corperations have pulled the wool over your eyes in a very major way.

And this craze all started with Perriere and then other imported water.

And think about it. When you go to another country what is the first thing they tell you? DONT DRINK THE WATER.

Me personally. I try not to drink too much water though.
Fish pee in it;)

Brenjen · « **Reply #67 on:** June 17, 2006, 06:05:09 PM »

LOL @ Dred...I don't get into the bottled water either, it's a scam. But drinking water out of a garden hose? That's just nasty! Take the hose off & cup your hand under the spicot at least bro

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #68 on:** June 17, 2006, 06:13:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
LOL @ Dred...I don't get into the bottled water either, it's a scam. But drinking water out of a garden hose? That's just nasty! Take the hose off & cup your hand under the spicot at least bro

Whats nasty about it?

Turn the water on. let it run for a minute to get all the warm water out that has been sitting in the house in the sun.
Once the water runs cool. Drink it.

I notice no difference in the taste.

And what am I gonna get? maybe some bacteria?

My son just pointed out something to me. He was at a friends house and drank a glass of tap water and he said "you drink water right out of the tap??"

He and his family only drink filtered or bottled water.

His family is forever sick with something.

Worse thing that usually goes around our household is the common cold and then maybe only once or twice a year

Brenjen · « **Reply #69 on:** June 17, 2006, 07:21:27 PM »

I can taste the hose even if it runs. We fill up our rubbermaid water coolers in the mornings before we go out into the field & you can really taste it when the grunt didn't take the hose off, even if they let it run.

Be glad you have the luxury of drinking straight from the hose & not being able to taste it.

Also, about filtered tap water; let's not forget each cities water treatment is not equal. You wouldn't drink my city water once you looked at it in a glass LOL You can see particles that look like little bits of paper & it's usually brown. But I have been to cities that had excellent city water. Where my aunt lives in Kentucky the city has a well & that water is clear & smells good...like water instead of chemicals.

I don't turn my nose up at the fact it's recycled sewage in my town but, I do use a counter-top Brita filter for drinking because I know they don't do a good job at the treatment facility & the chlorine or chloramine smell is so strong it'll burn your eyes sometimes.

Bronk · « **Reply #70 on:** June 17, 2006, 07:26:43 PM »

Don't drink water cause fish f in it.

Bronk

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #71 on:** June 17, 2006, 07:42:33 PM »

Beetle says....

I remember having to cover this fluoride thing for Biology O Level at school. Fluoride was added to the water that came into my house, but only at 1ppm (part per million). At that concentration it is completely harmless. At 3ppm, according to my school studies, some mottling occurs to children's teeth.

A recent study published in the journal Brain Research found that 1 PPM fluoride in water facilitated the uptake of aluminum into the brain of rats, producing the type of brain tangles (amyloid deposits) that are associated with Alzheimers disease and other types of dementia. (27) An epidemiological study published in the December 2000 issue of the journal Neurotoxicology, found that fluoridated water was associated with elevated levels of lead in children's blood. (28) The study's findings parallel the findings of an earlier study published in the September 1999 issue of the International Journal of Environmental Studies. (29) Lead in the blood is associated with a variety of neurological problems, including reduced intelligence, aggression and hyperactivity. Dozens of laboratory studies have found that fluoride is a mutagen - a classification which frequently indicates that a substance is carcinogenic (i.e. that it causes cancer). (30) A cancer bioassay conducted by the National Toxicology Program found that rats dosed with fluoride had a statistically significant increase in bone tumors (osteosarcomas), which were not found among the controls.

If you dont mind, i'll go ahead and assume that these people know more about it than me or you and take the 4 dollar a week hit for a case of aquafina, just in case.

Like I said before, I can come up many good reasons not to put fluoride in water meant for drinking. Like mrbig said, since when is the govt concerned with your dental health. The govt forces the elderly to pay out the ying yang for thier meds so they may live, but they are gonna give us this 'freebie' for a shiny smile. Bulls Hit. Dont let your kids or grandkids drink that crap.

Some mottling occurs in the brain also, beetle.

Chairboy · « **Reply #72 on:** June 17, 2006, 08:15:02 PM »

Nah, they've got religion for that.

Blooz · « **Reply #73 on:** June 17, 2006, 09:56:42 PM »

Yup.

See how you rolled over Whitehawk?

That's why you've still got flouride in your tap water.

Governments count on people like you to sit there and do nothing.

Gumble, grumble , grumble.

Roll out the 'scientific research materials' proving that this , that and the other thing is destroying people , places or things.

Then do nothing.

Uh huh.

nirvana · « **Reply #74 on:** June 17, 2006, 10:36:31 PM »

AND he buys their bottled water, Blooz:aok