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AG Sachsenberg

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« on: May 16, 2001, 09:50:00 AM »
 http://fyi.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers.ednews/05/15/recess.ap/index.html

Jesus people are raising their kids to become Pus*ies.  Praying in school is out, Dodge ball is out, caring and sharing time has increased, homosexual tendencies are on the rise, teen violence on the rise, teen pregnancies on the rise.  Who the Fuc& voted for this crap?  When will it stop?

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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2001, 11:17:00 AM »
 This is called socialism. People (teachers and their bureaucracy) are doing job for you but thay are not responcible to you for the results.
 They are more organised, so they have more political clout.

 From the purely practical standpoint, if there are no recesses, teachers can finish their classes and go home earlier.
 They also avoid most of the problems and accidents that happen during the recesses.
 If the children are not able to concentrate and learn anything as a result, or get less healthy and fat, or have no time to socialise and make friends and develop social skills, it does not reflect on teacher's salary in any negative way.

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »
Well, that "no recess" tendency seems very strange to me. Kid's "concentrated attention" periods are usually shorter then a class time. Here in Russia standard lesson is 45 min. (academic hour) long. Teachers are told to divide this time into shorter periods, with talks, games and other breaks, because 7-year old child can concentrate for about 10-15 minutes.

As for games, playgrounds and physical activity - very few Russian (or should I say Soviet?) schools allow pupils to leave a school building during breaks. Organized after-school activities are almost gone now, after Young Pioneer organisation was dismissed in early-90s. It was an extremely stupid commie party-like crap, I always hated all that pseudo-democratic stuff and 90% of useless work, but it kept children busy and somehow encouraged creative activities. What I liked about it was organised hiking, even when it was mixed with political "work", for example, when we went hiking we usually had some kind of a "research" task, like making a report on 1941 hostilities in the places where we hike.

After I finished school I went hiking with kids from my school maybe 3 times every year, to different places all over Russia: Urals, lake Baikal, Western Caucasus etc. Kids who went hiking with us looked much better then others: they were more self-assured, showed initiative, were smarter and never looked helpless in unusual situations. Hiking taught them to rely only on themselves and not to be afraid of any work. And they developed phisicaly: on a third long-range hike a kid who is 12-13 years old could carry a 25kg backpack for 30km every day without whining.

We were lucky, we had a good hiking team led by 3-5 teachers and graduates like me and my friends. So, if you have enthusiasts from teachers or parents - you don't have to worry about your kids becoming "fat and boring".

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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »
Miko, I agree with you completely. But why were such things impossible in Soviet schools? I hate state control, but there are some important fields where it is nessesary. Not every family has an opportunity to send their kid to a paid school, and even if it has - paid school doesn't guaranty the quality.

I wonder why in Russia teachers trade-unions don't practice full-scale strikes, even when teachers don't get paid for half-year or so...

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2001, 12:01:00 PM »
Oh, my god - homosexual tendencies are on the rise!!!

The end of the world is nigh!

Perhaps this perceived increase (how the hell you decided that, I don't know), might have something to do with the fact people don't need to feel that they should 'hide' their sexuality from a disapproving world. I think less repression is a good thing - if people want to be gay, why the hell should I care (or interfere)?

Miko2d, of course, to you, socialists are the root of all evil. And I guess your argument with teachers, is that they neither recognise nor teach your theories of racial supremacy - which you yourself have purported.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2001, 12:33:00 PM »
Some of us do prefer the old fashion way of having sex with someone of the opposite sex    Call me whatever you want to, but I disagree with the lifestyle and I also feel that one who has a hard time choosing between the correct way of procreation should not teach my children the morals and values of life.  

I am sure they are great people, I do not associate with them nor will I ever.  Am I homophobic?  Not in the least bit, I do not condone others who practice S&M or satanism as well.  Should we let these people as well teach moral values to our children?  Look at the decay of society as a whole.  I am not pointing fingers, but I find it interesting the sudden surge of homosexuals in our world, and the so called acceptance we give it.  I knew females who tried it just because well they wanted to.  It is glorified to us in movies "Watch Scinemax" in TV sitcoms, news publicity and of course the music industry.

They can have their lifestyle if they want, but I do not want it shared to my children as they grow up.  Doesn't it strike you as wrong?  Odd?  Disgusting?  Not knowing if the guy you just shook hands with and sat down to have lunch with was just packing some guys back door with a salami.  LOL actually that is kind of funny.  Probably will be in a movie soon and everyone will get a kick out of it.  

Anyway

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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2001, 01:09:00 PM »
If being "homophobic" is being concerned that our family values and Christian beliefs are in jepardy, then color me homophobic.

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2001, 02:26:00 PM »
Rip, being homophobic would be

homophobia :
an irrational fear of homosexuality or homosexuals. If you feel homosexuals or homosexuality is of greater danger to your kid thank drugs, pills, poor school attendance, obesity, lack of ability to interact with others or driving a 1 ton vehicle at high speeds at age 16, you're probably homophobic  .

I am not sure where socialism comes in with regards to no recesses. If anything, the added demands (i.e less recesses) is a response to a market need (i.e better prepared kids).

"Wood said schools eliminate recess to be able to report more "time on task," or minutes spent on academics"

Whether this is a sound approach to learning can surely be debated, but is not the point. Therefore, I'll let it lie. (This is also called the von Santa Avoid All Strawman Arguments method)

Again, I'd like to point out that Republicans pride themselves with responsibility and accountability.

Schools and teachers ARE NOT supposed to raise your kids. They're NOT supposed to make sure that they eat properly and get enough exercise. That's the job of the parent. in fact, one could say that schools have certain expectations to the behaviour of kids - and that's something that the parents gotta make happen. So stop complaining about the system, raise yer kid yerself and if you don't like the school, change to a private one?

Can't afford it? Work harder. It's a leftist socialist approach to say that some are more privileged than others and therefore can do this; anyone with the will can send their kids to private schools; all it takes is hard work and giving up some luxuries in life.

You Republicans are crying wolf here, with no wolf even close. It's always something leftist, communist, Al Gore this or some other thing. ALWAYS. You're losing lots of credibility. I KNOW at least some of you are very bright people, so perhaps my expectations are too high - if you do think that your political beliefs are superior to other beliefs, it is a good idea to illustrate why instead of throwing mud. Toad has a nice way of doing it and discussions with him tend to be quite enjoyable as he makes use of his experience and knowledge ad constructs a coherent argument.

What we have here is an educational system where outside sources have put extra demands on it, and the system tries to meet them. they're doing so by employing certain methods, which are uninteresting in turns of ascertaining the political ideology (if any) that has lead to the added demand

Oh btw AG; Christian are taught to turn the other cheek. I'd say Christianity has made us all p*ssies - just read the Icelandic sagaes to see what my ancestors were like before Christianity made us into meek little sheep  . Then again, they did use violence with extreme prejudice to convert the heathens. Hm, this one is tough to call  .

What I'm saying is track the cause and effect. Do not arbitrarily lay on the effect to a cause without, at least to some extent, making a case for it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2001, 02:39:00 PM »
 
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Rip, being homophobic would be

homophobia :
an irrational fear of homosexuality or homosexuals. If you feel homosexuals or homosexuality is of greater danger to your kid thank drugs, pills, poor school attendance, obesity, lack of ability to interact with others or driving a 1 ton vehicle at high speeds at age 16, you're probably homophobic   .

I am not sure where socialism comes in with regards to no recesses. If anything, the added demands (i.e less recesses) is a response to a market need (i.e better prepared kids).

"Wood said schools eliminate recess to be able to report more "time on task," or minutes spent on academics"

Whether this is a sound approach to learning can surely be debated, but is not the point. Therefore, I'll let it lie. (This is also called the von Santa Avoid All Strawman Arguments method)

Again, I'd like to point out that Republicans pride themselves with responsibility and accountability.

Schools and teachers ARE NOT supposed to raise your kids. They're NOT supposed to make sure that they eat properly and get enough exercise. That's the job of the parent. in fact, one could say that schools have certain expectations to the behaviour of kids - and that's something that the parents gotta make happen. So stop complaining about the system, raise yer kid yerself and if you don't like the school, change to a private one?

Can't afford it? Work harder. It's a leftist socialist approach to say that some are more privileged than others and therefore can do this; anyone with the will can send their kids to private schools; all it takes is hard work and giving up some luxuries in life.

You Republicans are crying wolf here, with no wolf even close. It's always something leftist, communist, Al Gore this or some other thing. ALWAYS. You're losing lots of credibility. I KNOW at least some of you are very bright people, so perhaps my expectations are too high - if you do think that your political beliefs are superior to other beliefs, it is a good idea to illustrate why instead of throwing mud. Toad has a nice way of doing it and discussions with him tend to be quite enjoyable as he makes use of his experience and knowledge ad constructs a coherent argument.

What we have here is an educational system where outside sources have put extra demands on it, and the system tries to meet them. they're doing so by employing certain methods, which are uninteresting in turns of ascertaining the political ideology (if any) that has lead to the added demand

Oh btw AG; Christian are taught to turn the other cheek. I'd say Christianity has made us all p*ssies - just read the Icelandic sagaes to see what my ancestors were like before Christianity made us into meek little sheep   . Then again, they did use violence with extreme prejudice to convert the heathens. Hm, this one is tough to call   .

What I'm saying is track the cause and effect. Do not arbitrarily lay on the effect to a cause without, at least to some extent, making a case for it.


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Sheesh Santa Hey can you reword this for me?    LOL

What I'm saying is track the cause and effect. Do not arbitrarily lay on the effect to a cause without, at least to some extent, making a case for it.  

And if you take me serious on anything I say in here something is wrong with you.  Although I am quite serious on this gay issue.  And of course rasing your children.  Do to 2 parents working you are seeing a slip in the family household values.  We are seeing families with less children and higher divorce rates.  Greed seems to be the common thread.  I would rather live comfortable and happy, then overworked and rich and die at a young age.    

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2001, 02:55:00 PM »
Santa, if its described as this:
 
An irrational fear of homosexuality or homosexuals trying to force your beliefs upon their accountability, their lifestyle, and forcing schools thru political arbitration to teach young boys and girls that being a homo is "okay"...

...then again, color me homophobic.

You ever been to a live "Gay Pride" Parade?  I've witnessed one first hand, and its pathetic to say the least.  I work with, I accept their lifestyles, I sympathize with them, but for GAWDS SAKE LEAVE MY KIDS ALONE!(i.e. keep it in the closet where it belongs, most of us could give a rats bellybutton what you do behind closed doors...like sheep? Go for it, your sick in my mind, but don't tell my kids that pulling wool is some sort of civic right!)

 



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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2001, 04:31:00 PM »
tasteless joke be warned.

what's the 1 thing gays and chistians have in common?
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both send a lot of time on their kness...

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2001, 04:34:00 PM »
Ignorance begets misunderstanding which begets mistrust which begets hate. And hate corrupts everything it touches.

I empathise with what you are saying Rip - as parents you should raise your kids in whatever way you see fit.

But when I eventually have kids, I'll raise them to have an open mind, to accept people for who they are, not what they do in the bedroom. I believe that sexuality can't be taught and it can't be repressed without seriously damaging the individual concerned. Of the gays I've known (not many, admittedly) they've all been decent people - and I'll sup a pint with them any day of the week. Would I like to watch them having sex with other men? Frankly, no. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. But why should I object to them doing it?

And frankly, AG/Sturm, I don't think about what someone happens to like doing in private, when I shake someone's hand. It never crosses my mind. What a freaky concept.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2001, 11:52:00 PM »
Rip, do you see homosexuality as a greater threat to your kids than the other things I mentioned?

Why keep it in the closet? It's no big deal. On gay paradaes you have the freaks of course, but so be it.

I think it's amusing that it should be repressed and held in a closet and not be ok - straight people do some pretty perverted things too, yet we consider them to be quite ok. Even in parenting. And I mean truly sick toejame, happening at your friendly neighbors house (or in my case, my not-so-friendly neighbors).

Your sexuality does not have to have much to do with how you conduct yourself - nor does it speak volumes about your moral character. To determine someone's moral character based solely on their sexuality (given two consenting adults) is just plain wrong IMHO.

There's a difference between thinking that it's a gross unappealing act and judging someone's moral character by his or her sexual preference.

What they're essentially arguing ripsnort, is that they shouldn't be forced to keep it in the closet, that it's just a matter of sexual preference and that it ain't dangerous. Problems facing homosexuals are related to the STIGMA that comes with it - i.e a very similar attitude towards it as you have displayed. Of course you're entitled to holding this view; I am not sure I understand why you do, hence my questions  .

They ain't going away. Been with us for as long as man has been around and in some cultures such as the ancient Greek one it wasn't a bad thing (in this case because of the rather low value of the woman of the time).

I understand that a parents primary responsibility in life is to safeguard its kids. Now, if you could show me why they're dangerous to your kids, it'd help. STD's I can agree on, but promiscuous people expose themselves to this at a large degree than the rest of the population, gay or straight.

Moral character? Haven't noticed any difference. If anything, the time spent dealing with the stigma has led to a live and let live attitude.

We all know the flamboyant girly studmuffingots. It'd be interesting to see how many know the less obvious ones (which in my belief would constitute the majority).

So, am wondering (see me as an alien visiting earth for the first time) why it's dangerous or not ok?

I find the act itself disgusting, but to each his or her own. Some games heterosexuals play (poo games and insect squashing, to mention two), I find equally disturbing. To be honest I don't notice much related to homosexuality in my daily life - it's an exception and doesn't have much impact on anything. I can't see what the big deal is all about.

Well, one thing; the worst thing about homosexuality is it ruins downloading of pr0n. There you got a big batch of files, and somehow a homo pic spam post sneaks in. Can ruin yer whole day  

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2001, 03:02:00 AM »
I hear German food has that effect on you.

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2001, 03:27:00 AM »
As a Father I prefer having an homosexual as neigbour than a gun owner ...(1)
I know some homosexual and this guys are less likely to make trouble than the average john Doe their mottois often "live happy live hidden".


(1) btw I wont support a pedophile gun owner ...