Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sort of like asking, "How long have you been beating your wife?".  What makes you think matter was created to begin with?

I don't pretend to know. I posed it as a question anyway. Do you think matter was created?

Seems to me that the only two possibilities are that it was either created, or it always existed.

I prefer to keep an open mind and am open to the possibility that the universe is the result of a higher intelligence.

Some poeple seem to dismiss out of hand that an intelligence could have created the universe, yet they don't seem to have a problem with any other theories that don't make much sense.

Either way, it comes down to "faith" in order to hold a strong opinion either way.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr Big
Seems to me that the only two possibilities are that it was either created, or it always existed.

I prefer to keep an open mind and am open to the possibility that the universe is the result of a higher intelligence.

Doesn't sound like much of an open mind to me.

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by deSelys
Hey, self-proclaimed smart guy!

If you've equipped with an IQ above 2 digits, you should have realized that believing 'that the universe and all matter popped into existance by chance' is basically the same as believing into an intelligence behind everything, because either this intelligence itself popped into existence by chance, either it has been created by a higher intelligence, either it has always existed. Anyway, it is only a matter of faith but neither 'explanation' is more logical or probable than any other. Or we are all playing some super advanced version of 'The Sims' in a full blown virtual world and when we die in game, we wake up in our true form...which can be another simulation...

I've finally chosen for the Flying Spaghetti Monster cause I like pasta and pirates.

The funny thing is, you have almost nailed my exact argument on the subject. I have stated many times that to believe that a higher intelligence could have created the universe is no more far fetched than any other theory.

It's the people that dismiss even the possibility of a higher intelligence, or intelligent design, that are the closed minded ones.

So, thanks for playing.

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by Sandman
Doesn't sound like much of an open mind to me.

In what way?

[Sandman]

Seems to me that the only two possibilities...

[Mr Big]

Actually, I thought my question was a good one.

"was all of the matter in the universe created?"

It doesn't presume anything, other than the fact that all of the matter in the universe does exist.

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by Sandman

Well, it does seem to me that all the matter was either created, or it just always existed.

Just say what you mean, cause I might have an argument for you.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr Big
Actually, I thought my question was a good one.

"was all of the matter in the universe created?"

It doesn't presume anything, other than the fact that all of the matter in the universe does exist.

Hmmm... this was not the statement I commented on.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr Big
Well, it does seem to me that all the matter was either created, or it just always existed.

There is no other possibility?

[Mr Big]

Was for Skuzzy.

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by Sandman
There is no other possibility?

Like I said, just say what you mean and lay it on me. We're all friends here.

I think you understand what I said.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr Big
Was for Skuzzy.

Actually, you said it before Skuzzy.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr Big
Like I said, just say what you mean and lay it on me. We're all friends here.

I think you understand what I said.

I'm asking. Are those the only two possibilities?

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by Sandman
Actually, you said it before Skuzzy.

Skuzzy replied to it, as though I was stating that all the matter was created.

[Mr Big]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm asking. Are those the only two possibilities?

Like I said, no need for games. I said that it seems to me that there are only two possibilities.

You can spring your trap at any time, because I think I have an argument for what you are going to lay on me.

Taken down to just bare logical thinking.

1. matter does exist

2. for something to exist, it has to have an origin