Author Topic: Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Read 1717 times)

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #60 on:** June 20, 2006, 08:13:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Mr Big
You said that all you percieve is what your brain is tellling you.

At least that is what I think you think I said. But perhaps that is an illusion in itself.

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You have a conscious existance, at the very minimum. In order to have even a conscious thought, you would have to assume that you actually exist in some form or another.

I could perhaps exist not in a material sense, but only as a pure energy form. Then it wouldn't matter.

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Even if you had only a "subconscious" that makes up everything for you, then that would presume you exist.

Perhaps I only think I exist.

Mr Big · « **Reply #61 on:** June 20, 2006, 08:16:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
At least that is what I think you think I said. But perhaps that is an illusion in itself.

I could perhaps exist not in a material sense, but only as a pure energy form. Then it wouldn't matter.

Perhaps I only think I exist.

lol!

Booz · « **Reply #62 on:** June 20, 2006, 09:42:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Mr Big
Like I said, no need for games. I said that it seems to me that there are only two possibilities.

You can spring your trap at any time, because I think I have an argument for what you are going to lay on me.

Taken down to just bare logical thinking.

1. matter does exist

2. for something to exist, it has to have an origin

Except of course flying spaghetti monsters

SMIDSY · « **Reply #63 on:** June 20, 2006, 09:48:12 PM »

Question: could FSM microwave himself to such temperatures that he would not be able to consume himself?

Meatwad · « **Reply #64 on:** June 20, 2006, 10:37:59 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
See Meatwad sold his Soul...explains the Stock thing and his eyes for the likes of P3nis3s and Te3t1cles...Evil, I say EVIL!!!!!

Not giving my name... cause Evil is as Evil does....

Nash

BAH!!!

lazs2 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 21, 2006, 08:55:03 AM »

I don't know if the flying monster exists or not... don't really care.

I don't want it to intrude in my life tho.

If there were hundreds of millions of people that believed in him I would want the theory of his existance and his version of how the world was formed to at least be meantioned when evolution or the big bang theory was mentioned tho.

I don't think he has much of a following tho save a few school board members and smurf governors so he can pretty much be ignored by me and the kids. The time spent not learning about him could be used to learn to read or something.

lazs

deSelys · « **Reply #66 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:04:48 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

If there were hundreds of millions of people that believed in him I would want the theory of his existance and his version of how the world was formed to at least be meantioned when evolution or the big bang theory was mentioned tho.
lazs

A higher number of supporters doesn't make a theory more valid than another. Remember when the tiny group of guys who were claiming that earth was round were considered as nutjobs by the majority?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #67 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:14:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Mr Big
2. for something to exist, it has to have an origin

Why?

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Originally posted by Maverick
If time is indeed truly linear and the concept of the beginning of time actually is a given, how can matter have always existed without being created?

You work from from a theoritical position and assumption. Time is a separate concept from existing matter.

Everything is theoritical until proven otherwise. Nothing is impossible until you accept it is.

If you accept some form of intelligence created all matter, then you would also have to answer the query, "Where did that intelligience spring from? And who/what created it?". Working from the presumption all matter has always existed grants a higher probability some intelligence was able to evolve and create sub-species. I do not neccessarily subscribe to that.

And if you wish to answer, "It is all about faith.", then you are just taking the cheap way out of the question. A non-answer, if you will. I could just as easily say my approach is all about faith as well and leave it at that. I won't though. I think that is the cheap way out,

lazs2 · « **Reply #68 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:23:45 AM »

deselys... that is why I say that I can't tell you if those guys are right or not. Since there is no written or verbal history of what they say is true going back past a few years tho and they have so few followers...

They would have to be pushed asside with other fringe beliefes as not being worth the valuable time needed to explore their beliefe.

Now... if you could offer the option to attend the lesbian lifestyle lecture or to here the high pries to the flying monster then that would be a viable option. Since the time would be pretty much wasted and not relevant to schooling the flying monster would at least be more academic.

lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #69 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:24:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Why?

Because all things that exist were originated... except God, who has existed forever and ever.

Unless you hold the rule "2. for something to exist, it has to have an origin" [cough] sacred [/cough] then of course, God does not exist because he had no origin.

This is all so confusing.... I think I shall just stick to questioning my own existance.

lukster · « **Reply #70 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:52:50 AM »

How do we know the "big bang" started the expansion of space? By that I mean how do we know space ever expanded at all. Aren't we assuming this based on the "red shift" while observing other bodies? What if instead of space expanding all matter is condensing? Would this have the same observable effect?

Chairboy · « **Reply #71 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:01:10 AM »

The problem is, scientists don't claim to know, they claim to be trying to figure it out using data and theories that can be reproduced by others. Religionists, on the other hand, say "oh, we know" and cite their faith/beliefs as all the proof that's needed. Religion is answers that cannot be questioned. Pastafarianism is looking more attractive every day.

R-amen.

lukster · « **Reply #72 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:04:19 AM »

I guess this would be the "great satan"?

lukster · « **Reply #73 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:07:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Religion is answers that cannot be questioned.

That sounds an awful lot like what Al Gore and others are saying about Global warming.

Maverick · « **Reply #74 on:** June 21, 2006, 01:16:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Why?

You work from from a theoritical position and assumption. Time is a separate concept from existing matter.

Everything is theoritical until proven otherwise. Nothing is impossible until you accept it is.

If you accept some form of intelligence created all matter, then you would also have to answer the query, "Where did that intelligience spring from? And who/what created it?". Working from the presumption all matter has always existed grants a higher probability some intelligence was able to evolve and create sub-species. I do not neccessarily subscribe to that.

And if you wish to answer, "It is all about faith.", then you are just taking the cheap way out of the question. A non-answer, if you will. I could just as easily say my approach is all about faith as well and leave it at that. I won't though. I think that is the cheap way out,

Skuzzy,

I didn't say that time and matter were part of the same concept. I was questioning from a purely corelational aspect. As I said, if time is truly linear and one direction only, there by definition has to be a beginning of time. Also assuming, Yeah I know that is a bad word here but, that time is NOT an invention of people but in fact a real universal concept predating people there has to be a beginning of time.

Given those concepts of time, linear, unidirectional, and a universal concept, not a construct of mankind, a finite begining must exist.

If time is correlated to the state of matter, not causationally but through the concept of if time follows the above concepts, there must have been nothing before time existed. The existance of matter may not have come into play until time starts. A counter point to this would be that time could not exist without the prior existance of matter, but without time how could you have "prior"?

I'm not postulating a faith based or big bang theory at all, just a question regarding 2 concepts we all deal with.

For those who have a purely faith based concept of existance, upon the moment of death they should have an answer. This is assuming they are correct in their faith.

For those who have no faith based existance there won't be an "answer" per se as they will cease to exist at the time of death. This is assuming they are correct in their belief there is no faith based explanation.

Nasty situation there and unfortunately no one has been able to definitively determine the truth then bring it back, except for those who are faith based. Rats, there's that cyclical thing again.