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Offline FUNKED1

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« on: June 20, 2006, 05:34:46 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 08:13:12 PM »
shut up terrorist.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 10:01:25 PM »
Who do you believe? A source by who chooses to remain silent that spoke with the press, or the FBI?  I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle...

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FBI lawyers rationalized that even though data brokers may have obtained financial information, agents could still use the information because brokers were not acting as a consumer-reporting agency but rather as a data warehouse.

The FBI said it relies only on well-respected data brokers and expects agents to abide by the law. "The FBI can only collect and retain data available from commercial databases in strict compliance with applicable federal law," spokesman Mike Kortan said Monday.



I understand that the Canadian's busted 11+ terrorist by illegal internet tapping, the Canuck mounties aren't saying much because its most likely that they used more illegal means to get their men...but hey, no one died because of lack of intelligence.....;)

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 10:03:05 PM »
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I understand that the Canadian's busted 11+ terrorist by illegal internet tapping, the Canuck mounties aren't saying much because its most likely that they used more illegal means to get their men...but hey, no one died because of lack of intelligence.....;)


I don't know if that's true or not. The story fell off the radar 3 days after the busts.

So do you have a source on this? I'm interested.

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 10:11:42 PM »
Yes!  I always thought this would happen.  I predicted this back in the 70s.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2006, 07:28:40 AM »
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I understand that the Canadian's busted 11+ terrorist by illegal internet tapping, the Canuck mounties aren't saying much because its most likely that they used more illegal means to get their men...but hey, no one died because of lack of intelligence.....;)


Giving up on America already Rip?

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2006, 08:11:28 AM »
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Giving up on America already Rip?

Nope. We're clean here for the time being, until more unfolds to the press. Meanwhile, we're aiding other countries to take out yet more terrorist cells abroad, but I'm sure you don't notice these successes.

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A suspected al-Qaeda cell has been broken up and its members arrested in Turkey. Among those detained was Abdolhalim Sad, an Iranian, who the Turkish authorities believe is the new leader of the global terror network in Turkey. The cell was dismantled by the Turkish security forces who had been put on the trail by the American secret service, the CIA. The operation dates to two weeks ago but the news of the arrrest of Abdolhalim Sad and other members emerged only on Tuesday.

Turkish intelligence services say that the militants were preparing an attack against the military base at Incirlik which is home to divisions of the US airforce.

The other three arrested were Turkish citizens; Mehmet Yilmaz, Mehmet Belut and Murat Estenleg, who according to Turkish media reports had attended a military camp run by al-Qaeda in Iran, near the border with Iraqi Kurdistan.


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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2006, 08:15:45 AM »
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I don't know if that's true or not. The story fell off the radar 3 days after the busts.

So do you have a source on this? I'm interested.


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I understand that the Canadian's busted 11+ terrorist by illegal internet tapping, the Canuck mounties aren't saying much because its most likely that they used more illegal means to get their men...but hey, no one died because of lack of intelligence.....;)


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The group was watched by intelligence officers before being broken apart in an inter-agency operation involving the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Canada Border Services Agency and police.

A senior CSIS counterterrorism official, Larry Brooks, announced the dismantling of the cell at a closed-door national security workshop held this week at a hotel north of Toronto.

"CSIS's mandate is to collect, analyze and report threat-related intelligence to government. This means that effectively, our intelligence is shared with a variety of domestic and international security intelligence and law enforcement partners," Barbara Campion, the CSIS spokeswoman, said yesterday.

"CSIS does not discuss details of specific cases," she added.

But on Monday, Mr. Brooks, the chief of counterterrorism for the Toronto region, gave an outline of the case to delegates at the National Security Workshop 2005, a federal initiative that brought together security officials and representatives of Ontario industries involved in critical infrastructure, such as telephone, hydro and transit.


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This weekend's arrest of 17 people in Toronto on terrorism-related arrests have generated significant worldwide attention.  Not to be overlooked are the reports that Internet monitoring played a key role in the investigation. According to the Toronto Star "when CSIS began monitoring the sites allegedly used by some of the 17 men and youths arrested on terrorism-related charges in a sweeping series of raids across the GTA Friday evening, the Canadian spy agency heard enough to remain interested, and increased surveillance of the group. While CSIS and police typically won't talk about their operational methods, the available techniques range from monitoring electronic communications, from cell phones and landlines to emails and computers, to physically following persons of interest as they move about and talk to others."
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2006, 08:46:08 AM »
First of all... If you expect your phone conversations to be private then you probly desrve the slap in the face...

next... It really is time to draw the line and to say.... no further.   We need to vote down every new tax and every new law that ever comes up no matter how much someone convinces us that it will only get "the other guy" and give us something for nothing.

Then we need to get to work shutting down tax supported government offices that intrude into peoples lives.

It matters not who is in power.... to some extent we are doing it to ourselves.... If we vote for more taxes we are voting for less control over our lives and more people to suppress us.  It matters not what the taxes stated purpose is... it all goes to a bigger and more intrusive government.

Vote down every new tax that you are given an opportunity to no matter how good it sounds or what movie star or evangilist supports it.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2006, 09:09:50 AM »
That's all very well, Ripsnort.

Sorry if my question was a little vague, but what I really wanted was a source for your claim that the terrorists were busted as a result of "illegal internet tapping."

I look forward to that. Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 09:29:13 AM »
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That's all very well, Ripsnort.

Sorry if my question was a little vague, but what I really wanted was a source for your claim that the terrorists were busted as a result of "illegal internet tapping."

I look forward to that. Thanks in advance.
There is no report of legal means to gain information that was accumulated by internet monitoring. You would think that would be the first thing mentioned to prevent lefties like you from crying like a baby about "your rights".  That's why I made the assumption that it was indeed illegal. They don't want to talk about it, what else am I suppose to presume?

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2006, 09:45:17 AM »
Ahh.... an assumption. Big surprise. Thanks for clearing that up.

I thought maybe, you know... well, it's stupid, but... I just thought that maybe you weren't talkin' out yer arse this time or something.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2006, 10:04:38 AM »
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Ahh.... an assumption. Big surprise. Thanks for clearing that up.

I thought maybe, you know... well, it's stupid, but... I just thought that maybe you weren't talkin' out yer arse this time or something.
Do you have difficulty debating a topic without smart alec insertions, Nash? If anyone sounds like they're talking out of their proverbial arse, its you Nash.

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2006, 10:19:08 AM »
Can anyone even make sense of lazs arguments anymore? You shouldn't expect phone conversations to be secure, but we should shut down tax-funded efforts to intrude into people's lives. Huh?

We can't reconcile privacy and security anymore, the world won't allow it. So - all phone calls you make from any phone - needs to be recorded. The source and destination and the time/date and duration. Even content, using supercomputer systems that can do voice recognition. Just like in that movie with Gene Hackman.

But it needs congressional oversight. The Bush administration started tracing a reporter from ABC calls to see if they could find who his leak was in the White House. They only way to prevent the data from being mishandled is to have oversight. Otherwise you get fascism. It's amazing how the current administration bungles these things - if they could have just refrained from touching the damn data they would have been fine. But all the did is demonstrate how tempting it is. Internet as well. All websites, all emails - should be indexed and retrieveable in an investigation. If you download a lot of hardcore porn - well, there's no law against it so chill out. Nobody gives a damn if you are banging the babysitter - the feds are looking for terror cells.

Complete surveillence society, but with CONTROLS over how the data is used. That's how you find the cells, find the guys in the mosques who are planning to do bad ****. Make it efficient and make it scalable. Otherwise it costs too much to set up and run. It has to be effective and cheap.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2006, 10:58:05 AM »
Rip, be nice to nash.  He will be mean to you, but he is just trying to get you kicked off the playground.
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