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« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2006, 11:31:13 AM »
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I think it happened around the same time as this....

This article is dated June 2003...
Poll suggests world hostile to US

If you think this hatred for USA began in this century, then I'd like to use those rose-colored glasses you have...(brush the sand off them first though, please)

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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2006, 11:34:25 AM »
Well yeah it didn't start just now but wasting a hundred thousand foreigners under false pretenses didn't help a whole lot.  :aok

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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2006, 11:39:29 AM »
and you conveniently forget the huge amount of good will that was expressed throughout the World after 9-11. And you forget that the same good will remained after the Afghanistan invasion.

Where is it now? .... Did Kennedy come back from the dead and sabotage all that good will? Maybe it was Hillary... yea! That's the ticket!

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« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2006, 11:43:49 AM »
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and you conveniently forget the huge amount of good will that was expressed throughout the World after 9-11. And you forget that the same good will remained after the Afghanistan invasion.

Where is it now? .... Did Kennedy come back from the dead and sabotage all that good will? Maybe it was Hillary... yea! That's the ticket!

:aok


Ah yes, those flags they burned in the middle eastern countries the day after 9/11 were simply misunderstood cultural offerings of sympathy...yes, I understand the liberal mind now...:huh

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« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2006, 11:50:11 AM »
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Ah yes, those flags they burned in the middle eastern countries the day after 9/11 were simply misunderstood cultural offerings of sympathy...yes, I understand the liberal mind now...:huh


Global rip, the point was about global prestige...

I think you're confused.

You can't seem to stay on topic.

You feeling OK?

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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2006, 11:53:24 AM »
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Global rip, the point was about global prestige...

I think you're confused.

You can't seem to stay on topic.

You feeling OK?
I didn't realize that the middle east was not part of the global overall picture. Thanks for edu-ma-cating me.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2006, 12:03:16 PM »
Don't confuse sympathy with prestige. They are not the same and may not even be related. Example. One can feel sympathy for somalia but that does not mean the world respects it as a nation or people.
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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2006, 04:04:12 PM »
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When it comes down to it, saddumb could have short circuited the entire invasion and resulting action very easily. All he had to do was open up the areas the UN teams wanted to inspect.


He did.  After Security Council resolution 1441, Iraq gave the UN inspectors prompt access to anywhere they wanted to go.


-Briefing the Security Council,19 December 2002: Inspections in Iraq and a preliminary assessment of Iraq's weapons declaration

"· Access to sites has been prompt and assistance on the sites expeditious. It seems probable that a general instruction has been issued not in any way to delay or impede inspection of the kind of sites we have gone to so far. This is welcome and it is to be hoped that such an instruction will extend to all sites we may wish to inspect in the future, regardless of location, character and timing."


-Briefing the Security Council, 9 January 2003: Inspections in Iraq and a further assessment of Iraq's weapons declaration

"I now turn to the role and results of our current inspections. Evidently if we had found any 'smoking gun' we would have reported it to the Council. Similarly, if we had met a denial of access or other impediment to our inspections we would have reported it to the Council. We have not submitted any such reports."


-Briefing of the Security Council, 27 January 2003: An update on inspections

"Cooperation on process

It has regard to the procedures, mechanisms, infrastructure and practical arrangements to pursue inspections and seek verifiable disarmament. While inspection is not built on the premise of confidence but may lead to confidence if it is successful, there must nevertheless be a measure of mutual confidence from the very beginning in running the operation of inspection.

Iraq has on the whole cooperated rather well so far with UNMOVIC in this field. The most important point to make is that access has been provided to all sites we have wanted to inspect and with one exception it has been prompt. We have further had great help in building up the infrastructure of our office in Baghdad and the field office in Mosul. Arrangements and services for our plane and our helicopters have been good. The environment has been workable.

Our inspections have included universities, military bases, presidential sites and private residences. Inspections have also taken place on Fridays, the Muslim day of rest, on Christmas day and New Years day. These inspections have been conducted in the same manner as all other inspections. We seek to be both effective and correct."


-Briefing of the Security Council, 14 February 2003: An update on inspections

"Since we arrived in Iraq, we have conducted more than 400 inspections covering more than 300 sites. All inspections were performed without notice, and access was almost always provided promptly. In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming."


Found this nugget as well.

"· We have identified the location of some artillery shells and containers with mustard gas. They were placed under UNSCOM supervision in 1998. They will now be sampled, and eventually destroyed."

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« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2006, 04:04:57 PM »
Back to the original article... does anyone here actually believe this is a party specific thing? Does anyone actually believe that any form of government would not sieze the opportunity to use these type of resources? Why is this a political discussion?

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« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2006, 04:10:17 PM »
By resources are you refering to the mustard gas or the information about the mustard gas?

If it's the information then it is obviously political. The people who feel they can use this tidbit to garner a few more votes will spin it as "Woo hoo! we found the WMD!" and people with any sense at all will see it as a load of crap.

No bias here.

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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2006, 06:13:57 PM »
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Back to the original article... does anyone here actually believe this is a party specific thing? Does anyone actually believe that any form of government would not sieze the opportunity to use these type of resources? Why is this a political discussion?


I think we need to bomb those data base companies with 20 year old mustard gas so the government can't get access to the phone records.

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