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Offline Nash

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2006, 10:45:18 PM »
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I doubt I line up with Nash in too many areas.  


Hmm.... based on what you just said, you'd be surprised.

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2006, 11:03:27 PM »
Cmon, Hang. I wouldn't think you'd have much trouble explaining your own position. You gonna respond at all?
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2006, 11:54:43 PM »
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Ok lets look at this post here. You say there is no way to win, so how are you going to "ramp it up" and how would that make it any different?


No difference at all, IMHO. There is nothing to "win" in Iraq.
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2006, 07:22:27 AM »
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Many many good men and women are being wounded and killed in Iraq, is this just an opening operation into the great war about to engulf civilization, or is this the war that prevents it?

It is either one or the other.


It's just another war in a long line of wars. It will pass into history eventually and be replaced by another one. It's the nature of human behaviour.  Only the dead are finished with war.

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2006, 07:34:39 AM »
Wow, Dos Equis, those are two damn well written posts.

I don't agree with everything you say but I'm looking forward to reading about your ideas.
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2006, 07:54:58 AM »
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Only the dead are finished with war.
 
Is that Homer or Plato?

I agree though, we live in a world dominated by the aggressive use of force. Always have, probably always will. Despite humankind's ability to eveolve past that need, there will always be tyrants/kings/despots who will not relinquish their power via the use of words and/or diplomacy by their opposition.

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2006, 08:24:10 AM »
My question is, why do we have to ascribe so much damned significance to this war?

Deaths are tragic, yes, but how is this war, as it is presented to us, different from any other war fought in the second half of the 20th century? Just like Korea, just like Vietnam, just like Afghanistan for the Russians, we're just banging our ideological heads against theirs, trying to see which is harder. It won't lead to anything, it won't change anything, it won't resolve anything. All it does, is thin out certain populations. I weep for our servicemen and women. Could not care less about the Iraqis, their government, their plight or their desert. Saddam did not make Iraq or its problems. Just as the case is with every other dictator in history, his people and their problems made him.

Our problem is that we keep playing their game. Bin Laden provokes, and we follow suit with the most predictable course of action possible. We go in, and in the process of trying to stop the madness at its source, throw water on the proverbial gremlin that is islamic fundamentalism.

One of my big hopes is to see the discovery and implementation of a universal wonder-fuel before I die. Cold fusion, practically-derived hydrogen, liquified bovine flatulence, whatever it takes, to forever end our dependance on that ****hole of a region. Once our interest there is done, and our money stops flowing, the Middle East and every AK-toting, Allah-Ahkbaring caveman that dwells there will be forever robbed of the two things he needs most to survive--a reason to complain, and the funding to do it. Total and complete disassociation, not forceful restructuring, is the only way to create any sort of lasting change in that sandy rat-trap.

As for the Bin Ladens of the world, let them quit their rediculous charade and go back to drag racing Ferraris, snorting coke and trying to get lucky with underage body-pierced ecstacy addicts--at least those ambitions have some sort of tangible connection with reality. Anyone with half a brain should have seen through that bearded clam's act when his DNA didn't wind up plastered to the concrete at Battery Park in 2001.

I respect the **** out of our armed forces. I respect the **** out of our soldiers. I don't think that a single one of their lives is worth the whole of the collective cesspit that they've been sent to liberate/conquer/civilize. The fuel, well, since our entire way of life is based on it, that's a different story. If they're fighting and dying for the American way, then it should just be publically acknowledged that the American way is largely based on internal combustion, not bringing Britney Spears, McDonalds and Jesus to the Middle East.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2006, 08:31:25 AM »
dos ekk...  I think your hate of religions has you not thinking clearly... it is not a war against muslims and getting rid of religious fanatics here (not giving them a voice) will change very little.

Nope... we are not fighting muslims... we are fighting fanatical muslim regiems or those controled by fantatical muslims.   Our pat robertsons are not in the least powerful nor do they really control anything except possibly a block of votes that is marginalized by those who vote the oppossite simply because they dislike him and his ilk.

Your politics are simply socialist.   They are easy to explain and not at all complex.   You are my enemy.   You simply want more government in our lives in both social and economic venues.  extreme left... extreme right... you are correct...you are so far gone in both that you are just another socialist.

I am an individualist which is what I think our founders really wanted.

The war to me is about fundamentalists controling countries.   In that respect they are the root of all evil.  

To me.... socialism and communism are fantatical religions also.  I see no difference in the threat that any of them pose to my living a free and happy life.   Your brand of religion is just as intrusive if not more than any religion history has known.

In this case, Iran and iraq and the whole region...  we are fighting the control of a people by a book.. the koran... It is no less improtant than the fight of the control of people in the cold war by the religion of communism.

You worship the state... that makes you very dangerous to me.   I believe in human rights that no other human has the right to take away.... I don't believe that they can be "voted" on.... I don't believe in democracy when it comes to human rights.... I believe that all crimes are "hate crimes" and that afirmative action is discrimination and destroys lives... I believe that social welfare crushes the soul and cheats the individual... no... cheats everyone.

you are at least as much my enemy as pat robertson and the muslim regiem of some country.   I simply wish that you would wear a uniform and we could get this confict settled in a civil war.   Red against the Blue.

I am sure that you consider yourself special and unpredictable and "progressive" but I bet that there is nothing you would vote for that would surprise me and very few things that we would agree on.   "Progressive" to me is changing the order in which the stop lights change color.... "democracy" to me is 3 wolves and a sheep all voting on what's for dinner.   Words like "democracy" and "progressive" and "governement regulation" all scare the crap out of me.


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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2006, 08:42:07 AM »
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Words like "democracy" and "progressive" and "governement regulation" all scare the crap out of me.


You must have had quite a bit of crap in you to begin with, otherwise, you'd be empty by now.

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2006, 08:43:46 AM »
This has all the possibilities of a strong debate between Lazs and the new kid on the block, Dos Equis.


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Is that Homer or Plato?

 


Plato as I recall, but it is apt.   The more you know history the more you realise that war is as much a part of the human condition as anything else.  Though many peace activists  and idealists seem to think war between states and idealogies is something that can be eventually be put away as if it was some kind of aberrant activity. In truth it is no more than an expanded tribal or local conflict over land, water or oil or even a schoolyard brawl.  No soldier can join the military under the illusion that he or she will never have to kill or be killed. It's part of the contract.

To misquote someone else, Lee? 'It is well that war is so terrible — lest we should grow too fond of it.'
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2006, 08:44:59 AM »
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Can't it be an equal percentage of both? I have felt the attacks on 9-11 were the begining of WWIII. We should not back down even if it becomes nation vs. nation to root out the ideaology of terrorism & radical islam.


If you have ever studied history, you would know the begining of WW3 happened way before 9-11.  September 11th was just the pearl harbor for the US.
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2006, 09:53:04 AM »
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If you have ever studied history, you would know the begining of WW3 happened way before 9-11.  September 11th was just the pearl harbor for the US.


You've got condescension down pat. :aok
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2006, 10:07:24 AM »
Condescension Rice?

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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2006, 11:20:11 AM »
I'm just trying to show that Sept. 11th wasn't the start, nor the end of radical islam.  It's the current limp wristedness on the part of the US and Coalition that will allow stuff like this to happen.
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2006, 11:27:10 AM »
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