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Offline Chairboy

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« on: June 22, 2006, 04:00:33 AM »
As some of you may have noticed, I've not made any progress on my plane lately.  My workspace is a mess, and I keep coming up with great excuses not to clean it when I have time.  Sadly, the plane has not automagically built itself, so I'm going to have to try a different tactic to get in the air.

I've decided to buy a small plane to buzz around with in the meantime.  I mentioned that I was interested in something like this a few months ago, but the restaurants still haven't sold (we might have a buyer for one, but never assume anything).  A few days ago, I stumbled across a plane that has a very low cost of acquisition, is super simple, and just might fit the immediate bill.

Here's the part that's going to garner wave after wave of tsk'ing from folks like Golfer.  It's a Rans S-4, originally sold as an ultralight, now being sold as an LSA.  It's a single seater, tail dragger, and has no electrical system.  Statistically 2-stroke engines have the highest failure rate, so of course it has a Rotax 447, a 47hp two stroke with a pull cord to start (as featured on many fine lawnmowers).  It is unencumbered by such niceties like 'flaps' and 'brakes' but that should just increase its charm.



It's basically a single seat Piper Cub.  Tube construction, fabric covering (in this case, Dacron), and the doors are optional.  If I get it, I forsee some nice, leisurely river running and maybe even some light XC.  It only has a 5 gallon tank at the moment, but this is perfect, it'll give me perfect weight loss milestones.  When I lose enough weight, I'll be able to upgrade my fuel capacity appropriately to keep it near max gross!  Eat your heart out Richard Simmons, I'll be on the Chuck Lindberg diet.

It's in Hanford, CA, so I'm planning on heading down in a few days with a trailer to inspect it.  If it passes muster, I fit, and I decide that it's the right plane, then I'll drive it back home behind my Buick.  I have a friend who has more recent 2-stroke mechanical experience than I do so between the two of us we can give the engine a thorough inspection (my good looks and his skills combined form SuperMechanic(tm)).

I'm going to go schedule some tail dragger time at the local FBO before I head south.  I've done a lot of reading, done a lot of sim time in conventional gear planes, but nothing really beats actual tail experience.  My main concern is ground handling (obviously), and I'll need that taildragger endorsement before I finish registering it as an E-LSA so I can log some honest time.

Ok, let the flames begin.  For ease of discussion, I suggest the following identifiers to use in your message:

"A1" - Messages about how dangerous ultralights are.
"B1" - Replies focussing on how stupid I am to consider flying a conventional gear plane without the endorsement, irrespective of it being an ultralight at the moment.
"A2" - Messages that would fall in the A1 category except they have too many exclamation points.
"C1" - Chastisements to just get back to work on my Cozy because obviously I'll never work on it again if I'm out flying.
"D1" - General admonishments about experimental aviation and how safe Lycomings and Cessnas and whatnot are compared to homebuilt deathtraps, even though it's not directly relevant to this conversation.
"E1" - This is a special category for messages that involve mathematical calculations about the gross weight and a general concern that the plane may, based on published stats, be flying heavy.

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2006, 04:08:09 AM »
A fool and his money are soon to part.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2006, 04:11:24 AM »
I saw one of these on the toy aisle at walmart.  Didn't come with any AA batteries though.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2006, 04:13:00 AM »
do you need a tailwheel endorsement for an LSA?
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2006, 04:27:57 AM »
Cool, a baby Fiesler Storch!

If those two stroke engines aren't too reliable, I'd do a lot of deadstick landings to begin with... and I would buy an emergency parachute of course ;)
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2006, 06:07:14 AM »
E1

I like this system...I can be a math wiz without all of that pesky math!

Seriously though, it looks like it'd be fun as heck to fly around in, provided it doesn't fall apart and/or crash and go boom.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2006, 06:29:05 AM »
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Seriously though, it looks like it'd be fun as heck to fly around in, provided it doesn't fall apart and/or crash and go poof like a wet firecracker.


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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2006, 06:42:30 AM »
It all depends on the age of the aircraft and the condition of the fabric.

I like the 503 instead of the 447. I have flown trikes with 503 and basically at 200 hours send the engine to get overhauled (about $400) and you are good to go for another 200 hours. That engine is quite common in snowmobiles so there is no shortage of mechanics who know how to overhaul them. If you got that plane I would consider an engine upgrade.

I have flown a tail dragger ultralight. They are not that hard to handle as they land and take off pretty slow.

If you are not getting a really really good deal on this aircraft I would look at what else is out there in the same price range. Ultralights tend to be hard to sell outside of the circle of ultrapilots that know the seller personally. There are good deals to be had.

However ultralights are great to fly as they are cheap and very safe if you go with a proven design and have your PPL.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2006, 07:08:00 AM »
Only flew in one microlight. A remarkable flight in conditions too rough for it really. I was glad to get down in one piece. But I always thought it would be nice to have one for those calm summer evenings. Perhaps when I get my house out in the country.
I could flit around the locality until the sun starts to set and the shadows start to lengthen.

I say buy it or something similar. Real fun flying.

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2006, 07:24:17 AM »
I'd give anything for any kind of aircraft.  And, I always liked the stick-n-wire simplicity of ultras.  Enjoy the hell out of the priviledge.

Get yerself a BRS for safety, tho, just in case.


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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2006, 11:58:20 AM »
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Hmm Tailwheel, handpropped, low time pilot....  how's your life insurance?

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2006, 12:15:19 PM »
Check to make sure how it is registered and what the requirements are for maintenance and mechanics. If it requires an A&P the costs will go up. The engine is one thing to be concerned about but they are fairly cheap to overhaul. Make sure you have a mechanic who understands the engine and secondly understands you will be FLYING behind it and not just cruising accross the snow with it.

You will need fully covered "lodging" for it or the fabric will degrade as it is not fully shielded from the sun like opaque painted fabric.

The no brakes is something I'd look into especially if you will be flying to and from an airport. How will you hold in place if you have no brakes.

Get a small handheld radio to monitor and call out positioning if you do use an airport. You already know you'll have to use non towered airports but it is very annoying to be in the pattern and have some oversized tinker toy kite pop up in the middle of the operation without any radio notice so you have to take evasive action.

Good luck with it and fly near someplace you can set down with an engine failure at all times.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2006, 12:42:43 PM »
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Hmm Tailwheel, handpropped, low time pilot....  how's your life insurance?


First thing I did before taking lessons was get life insurance. It is hard to get once you have to declare you are a pilot.

However I have over 100 hours on a trike and know 10 or so other trike pilots who all started flying in the past 5 years. No major accidents in the group. We all took good lessons and apply what was taught.

Chairboy got his private in southern California airspace. He knows how to fly. He will do fine.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2006, 12:46:42 PM »
What are you paying if it's over 10k go buy a decent Champ, Vagabond or the like.  Tried, trusted and true.

http://www.barnstormers.com/Piper,%20PA-15+Vagabond%20Classifieds.htm

http://www.barnstormers.com/Taildragger,%20Aeronca%20Classifieds.htm
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2006, 02:25:43 PM »
id buy it. anything that flies is cool  :aok