P-38 Gun Dissapointment

[uvwpvW]

Originally posted by Bronk
Not sure if it's .50 but I'm thinking it is.

Looks like something flies off. May not be catastrophic but I'd guess if enough hits were made, might just take off a bigger piece.


109

Breakup


Bronk


Edit: just checked what that fg flew .  They flew 51/47 so it was .50s.

Very nice. Thanks for posting them!

In the "Breakup" clip it looks like the .50s shredded the skin on the 109's left wingtip. Aerodynamic forces then twisted the wingtip structure inducing uncontrolled clockwise roll (in opposite direction to if the left wing had lost lift).

This does not constitute a catastrophic structural failure in my opinion, but it is clearly catastrophic damage. In any case it is hardly "sawing" the wing in two as some have stated.

The British and US correctly identified fire as the primary cause of aircraft destruction. Thus the .50 API round was specifically designed to punch through light armor and ignite fuel.

I have now seen one guncam footage of arguable structural failure arguably caused by .50 cal fire. I think my earlier point stands. Structural failures as a result of .50 cal fire were the oddities in WWII. In AH they are the norm.

[Bronk]

Kweassa , uvwpvW
OT:
I would like to thank you both for your inputs on the films .
Though we may interpret them differently, we kept it civil.

I just wanted to thank you for that. A civil discussion here is rare thing.



Bronk

[Bronk]

Originally posted by uvwpvW
Very nice. Thanks for posting them!

In the "Breakup" clip it looks like the .50s shredded the skin on the 109's left wingtip. Aerodynamic forces then twisted the wingtip structure inducing uncontrolled clockwise roll (in opposite direction to if the left wing had lost lift).

This does not constitute a catastrophic structural failure in my opinion, but it is clearly catastrophic damage. In any case it is hardly "sawing" the wing in two as some have stated.

Think of it in game as.. You weakened the wing to the point that aerodynamic forces ripped it off.  Instead of it just being sawed off.





The British and US correctly identified fire as the primary cause of aircraft destruction. Thus the .50 API round was specifically designed to punch through light armor and ignite fuel.

I have now seen one guncam footage of arguable structural failure arguably caused by .50 cal fire. I think my earlier point stands. Structural failures as a result of .50 cal fire were the oddities in WWII. In AH they are the norm.

 I can't argue with you there . But we also fly our AC unrealistically in game. So I'd assume unrealistic things could happen.

Bronk

[uvwpvW]

I just wanted to thank you for that. A civil discussion here is rare thing.

You too


Think of it in game as.. You weakened the wing to the point that aerodynamic forces ripped it off. Instead of it just being sawed off.

Although I’m sure it happened on occasion, I have yet to see that in guncam footage too.


I can't argue with you there . But we also fly our AC unrealistically in game. So I'd assume unrealistic things could happen.

Yes AH is unrealistic and that is the very issue here; shouldn’t we strive to make it more realistic?

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Murdr

Jeez Murdr where'd you get this picture?

[LEADPIG]

Widewing, your the man for posting all this guncamera footage. You always add something interesting to the disscusion. Thanks!

P.S you writing an aviation book anytime soon? I'd buy it