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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2006, 02:36:08 PM »
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Ummmm... yes the do. They have to. They don't go 2 years being too afraid to test the capabilities of the aircraft out. They have to test them before they're even delivered. And I guarantee virtually every senator is going to want to see what all the money is for. DOH! Just saw "teams". I believe I've said solo from the start. Just what were you arguing about?
 


I highly doubt senators are waiting for airshows to see demonstrations of aircraft capabilities. There's a reason why we have test ranges. The performance capabilities are well known well before an aircraft is allowed to perform in front of a public audience. The pilots flying these single aircraft performances are not demonstration pilots. They are regular pilots in regular fleet assigned aircraft performing maneuvers that are all well within NATOPS guidelines.

And within the context of Mavericks initial question and my response, we were speaking of demonstration teams from the start.
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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2006, 02:46:41 PM »
Sandman at Elemendorf there was always one F-15 pilot designated as a demonstration pilot. For several weeks before Elmendorf's *open house* weekend we would be treated to a practice demo flight on fridays. This also happened before the open house at Eilsen AFB in Fairbanks. There were other times the demo pilot would practice as well although I was never aware of the reasons other than the open house events.

Interesting difference between how the Navy and Air Force approach demonstration flights. :)
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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2006, 03:08:02 PM »
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I'll be fixing those purty F-22s in a few months time. Im setting a goal for myself to work on the ground crew of the Blue Angels.


Do the blues use air force wrenches?
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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2006, 03:27:04 PM »
i think the F-22 is smurfy.  Be a shame when both the single seat F-15 and the F-14 are out of service :(

Russia has certainly taken over the purty plane producer mantle.

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« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2006, 03:29:31 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2006, 03:31:42 PM »
you cannot deny it...  no doubting it is a very good plane... but it is smurfy... :D
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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2006, 04:18:55 PM »
Russian airplanes have a face only a mother could love.

I'm not their mother.
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« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2006, 04:45:03 PM »
The Russians have a pretty distinct airshow history.  Especially the paris arishows.

Their pilots wreck and fly home commerical airline  :)
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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2006, 04:47:29 PM »
Well they just have to show the world's best ejection seat performance.
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« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2006, 05:25:07 PM »
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I highly doubt senators are waiting for airshows to see demonstrations of aircraft capabilities. There's a reason why we have test ranges. The performance capabilities are well known well before an aircraft is allowed to perform in front of a public audience. The pilots flying these single aircraft performances are not demonstration pilots. They are regular pilots in regular fleet assigned aircraft performing maneuvers that are all well within NATOPS guidelines.

And within the context of Mavericks initial question and my response, we were speaking of demonstration teams from the start.
Senators don't have to wait at airshows. They get their own.

This plane can do things others cannot. It's akin to thinking that harrier demonstrations are just flybys. The plane considerably increased capabilites and not showing them off would be a bit silly.

And... I've said solo from the start. The Superhornet demonstrations have been more impressive than the T-Birds or Blue Angels at any airshow I've seen them at. The F-15 demonstrations have also been significantly better. The teams are presice and amazing, but they are boring. Formation flying is something you appreciate the complexity of, but not nearly as much as a full AB climb off of the runway.
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« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2006, 05:27:05 PM »
BTW... these planes won't do the T-Birds stuff for one simple reason: Cost. Making these planes non-military capable would be a waste. Danger has nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2006, 06:11:17 PM »
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Senators don't have to wait at airshows. They get their own.


Like I said...

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BTW... these planes won't do the T-Birds stuff for one simple reason: Cost. Making these planes non-military capable would be a waste. Danger has nothing to do with it.


Exactly! Flying $350+ million worth of advanced aircraft as a demonstration team is a huge risk.

The F/A-18Cs used by the Blue Angels are early development models. They are not modified fleet aircraft. In fact they aren't even carrier capable. Using these aircraft for demonstration rather than scrap makes more sense than using fleet-ready aircraft. AFAIK, the F/A-18 could easily be readied for demonstration. It's a modular aircraft. Simply remove the components that aren't needed.
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« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2006, 06:16:03 PM »
What I was trying to focus on was not the capability of just the jet itself, techology is definitely cool to watch.  But there is something about the tightness of a formation flying that highlights the capability of the PILOT which, to me, is far more interesting than the technology itself.  The only solo act that makes my exhaust pipe pucker are those pilots in the aerobatic planes doing all kinds of crazy maneuvers.  Now THAT is some real flying!!
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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2006, 06:18:43 PM »
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Like I said..
Exactly! Flying $350+ million worth of advanced aircraft as a demonstration team is a huge risk.
The F/A-18Cs used by the Blue Angels are early development models. They are not modified fleet aircraft. In fact they aren't even carrier capable. Using these aircraft for demonstration rather than scrap makes more sense than using fleet-ready aircraft. AFAIK, the F/A-18 could easily be readied for demonstration. It's a modular aircraft. Simply remove the components that aren't needed.


I thought the Blue Angels got their jets from the fleet. Used.
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« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2006, 06:27:11 PM »
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And... I've said solo from the start. The Superhornet demonstrations have been more impressive than the T-Birds or Blue Angels at any airshow I've seen them at. The F-15 demonstrations have also been significantly better. The teams are presice and amazing, but they are boring. Formation flying is something you appreciate the complexity of, but not nearly as much as a full AB climb off of the runway.


Like this one

Just by conincidence its from Oregon  :)
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