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Offline LePaul

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« on: June 27, 2006, 06:37:22 PM »
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From what I've heard from the BD-5 Network emails, he clipped some trees turning final.  

He was with the group that flies these with the military, since the small jet has much the same profile as a cruise missile.  So the military practices trying to intercept & track these guys.
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Offline cav58d

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 06:50:01 PM »
Damn...Thats the second in two weeks now....

LePaul, what military uses this jet?
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 07:49:29 PM »
Ze french of course!!!

IT's their all-get-up and run strategy..

Notice how it is conveniantly painted white




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Nah, I'm with ya, I got no idea..

It's a cute little jet though.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 08:26:30 PM »
Sad.


I like the BD-10 myself. better lookin plane
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 08:50:22 PM »
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Damn...Thats the second in two weeks now....

LePaul, what military uses this jet?


The jet is used to train radar operators and test radar units and systems, as stated, it is very small, its profile is very similar to small missles. Civilian pilots fly it in co-operation with the U.S. military in training excercises.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2006, 09:03:04 PM »


One of the military drones that the Snecma Microturbo TRS-18 turbojet, that the BD5 jet uses, was developed for.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 07:47:07 AM »
So do you think there will be a temp grounding of the BD-5?  I think its odd that two in 11 days have crashed.  I mean what are chances of two pilots augering in after a possible error or mechanical failure.
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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2006, 07:58:45 AM »
Both were on final approach, or so I've read. The things are pretty much experimental, so I'm figuring there aren't even that many around to ground.

On a side note, there was another Mitsubishi MU-2 crash yesterday as well. It is now up to 80 fatal accidents, or one fatal accident for every ten planes in the MU-2 fleet world wide. The FAA has done three investigations, and declared it safe, and although they have suggested special type training, they've stopped short of requiring a type rating.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 08:10:40 AM »
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Both were on final approach, or so I've read. The things are pretty much experimental, so I'm figuring there aren't even that many around to ground.

On a side note, there was another Mitsubishi MU-2 crash yesterday as well. It is now up to 80 fatal accidents, or one fatal accident for every ten planes in the MU-2 fleet world wide. The FAA has done three investigations, and declared it safe, and although they have suggested special type training, they've stopped short of requiring a type rating.


I wonder how well those fly on a single motor but then low and slow on climb out. He prolly mushed it on the turn around and didn't let it get any speed before trying to turn about.

But then 80 crashes per 10 planes is not very good...
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2006, 08:22:26 AM »
The MU2 is tricky to fly, but I don't think it's subject from major production defect, is it? I know of two MU2 owners that fly them intensively, and they are both very satisfied on the speed/ high reliability factor. I guess it's like the metroliner, don't get it slow.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 08:49:25 AM »
Perhaps I didn't make the other post clear. The MU-2 is up to 80 fatal accidents total. That is one fatal accident for every ten planes in the world wide fleet, meaning there are about 800 MU-2's in the fleet, and there have been 80 fatal accidents.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 09:25:57 AM »
Ok, so you can count, that's cute. How many of those accidents were due to pilot error? How many due to the same technical malfunction, or catastrophic failure?

That would be more usefull to make your point accros rather than throwing a number at me.
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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2006, 11:31:01 AM »
Its just bad luck, that's all

The Canadiens are still investigating the accident from close to 2 weeks ago.  That looks like it was a matter of not enough altitude to enter into the maneuver.  Or in english, he was too low but attempted to do a loop and ran out of altitude coming over the top.  What's really sad about that was how safety oriented he was...and that his family was watching him rehearse.

The air show up there went on, with the Snowbirds doing a missing man formation in his honor.

This most recent one is hard to say.  They saw him turning for final, seemed a bit low but nothing too bad...then a mushroom cloud.  It just happened that fast.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2006, 02:38:28 PM »
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Ok, so you can count, that's cute. How many of those accidents were due to pilot error? How many due to the same technical malfunction, or catastrophic failure?

That would be more usefull to make your point accros rather than throwing a number at me.


I wasn't replying to you, no need to get all bent and testy. The reply was for Nuch.
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2006, 06:50:28 PM »
Unlike the MU-2, I prefer my airplanes to have ailerons.  Same goes for the beechjet.
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