Author Topic: Ju-188/388 (Read 1396 times)

VooWho · « **on:** June 29, 2006, 07:06:16 PM »

This plane would be a great close support, or attack plane. I don't know much about it, but it looks like a killer airplane. I think the 188 was bomber/reccon and the 388 was the heavy attack/bomber/reccon. Im not sure, but either one would be awsome to have in AH, and I see some good use in it. I think it had options for more frontal guns for ground attack, or more defensive gun options for defending on bombing missions. But im not sure. I think this would be a great addition to the Axis bomber list.

ramzey · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:17:43 PM »

right after
Do17/Do215 and he111

VooWho · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2006, 10:28:58 PM »

Thats true.

Krusty · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:37:39 AM »

We don't need the Do17Z. It was obsolete by the time BOB came around, and a lot had been pulled from service. Some soldiered on but the BOB was the last big use of the type.

For BOB we only really need a short-span Ju88 with weaker engines, a He111H-* version (H-6 most likely), and a couple of british bombers (Blenheim and maybe Wellington). But the Do17Z isn't really needed.

ramzey · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:48:19 AM »

Half of the Luftflotte 2 level bombers where Do17/215 during BoB

Lusche · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:56:47 AM »

While the Do 17 was a important part of BOB, we dont need another early war german bomber when we have no mid/late war one. To fill this gap, I would like to see the Do 217 (only a few 215 were produced). It was one of the main Luftwaffe bombers, especially in the west. About 1700 were produced and used from 1941 - 1945, more than the Ju 188.

Do 217 M-1
2x1750 HP / 330 MPH / 2x13mm MG 131, 1x8mm MG 81Z,
2-4 MG 81 / bomb load up to 3000kg (6600lbs), usal max internal bombload was 2500kg (5500lbs)

Reynolds · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:03:34 AM »

Sure, but only AFTER we get the Heinkel 111 right???

Lusche · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2006, 04:37:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
Sure, but only AFTER we get the Heinkel 111 right???

Please NOT!

Although the He-111 was used in several roles until the end of war, it´s a early-war plane with early war specs and flight characteristics. It was not used in daylight missions in west after BOB anymore. We would need a more competitive mid/late war bomber first, especially for the SEA. It´s simply a gap we have to fill . For all early war setups we can use the 88 for now.

mipoikel · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2006, 04:53:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
We don't need the Do17Z. It was obsolete by the time BOB came around, and a lot had been pulled from service. Some soldiered on but the BOB was the last big use of the type.

For BOB we only really need a short-span Ju88 with weaker engines, a He111H-* version (H-6 most likely), and a couple of british bombers (Blenheim and maybe Wellington). But the Do17Z isn't really needed.

This is getting almost funny. Everytime someone asks a plane, you come to say that we dont need it. Please change that "we " to "I". Sounds better, you cant know what other people "need". LOL

Reynolds · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2006, 05:57:39 AM »

Im getting bloody tired of flying the 88!!! Frick, it sucks!!! The Heinkel can be well used, and make some good strikes in the SEA. Id take one up any time! And its not like the late war bombers were that much better! After BOB, the bomber technology didnt really evolve! Sure some great prototypes were created but none of the greats saw action! Hell, the most effective aircraft at that point were the early war air craft, with field modifications! Sure, there were some nice Dorniers, but how many were really that much better than the 111? And how many of those were fast w/ no real bomb capability, or heavy hitting with no speed? Personally, I like the balance of the 111s much more than any other of those late war bombers. And on top of that, how often do you fly Luftwaffe aircraft? Once a month? Twice? I FLY THEM EVERY DAY! I have never flown combat in a Niki or a Zero, ive never faught in a P-51 or a Spit. No, my planes are those of the glorious Luftwaffe!!! Id say let those of us who will actually fly the plane weigh in on what we should get next as far as German bombers. And you are the first person i have ever heard say no to the Heinkel. If we voted on it, it wager everything i own (which isnt that much actually

) that people would rather the Heinkel than a Dornier! I apologise for going berzerk on you, but i really want to see a Heinkel, and i have NO fondness whatsoever for the late-war Dorniers! So, my vote stands, I would really like to see a Heinkel HE-111. Over.

Lusche · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2006, 07:49:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds

Id take one up any time!

Oh, I would fly it too

After BOB, the bomber technology didnt really evolve! Sure some great prototypes were created but none of the greats saw action!

Do you really believe that???? I would like to know what sources make you belive that! About 1700 Do 217, 1100 Ju 188 were produced for example. The "Gliederung der Luftangriffskraefte der Luftflotte 3" from 1942 up to 1944 (Fighting in the west) has just 2-8 He 111 in its TO&E, the majority of planes is a wild mix of Do 217, Ju 88, Ju 188, He 177 and Fw200. Why do you think the Luftwaffe replaced their He 111? The Heinkel was gradually withrawn from bombing duties from 41 onward. In 1944, many He´s were relegated to transport roles. The main reasons the He 111 continued to be both in production and to be still a important bomber at the russian front were mostly economical ones.

Sure, there were some nice Dorniers, but how many were really that much better than the 111? And how many of those were fast w/ no real bomb capability, or heavy hitting with no speed?

Just compare the data. Do 217 is faster (528 kmh vs 436) and has a higher service ceiling while carrying about the same payload. Ju 188 had similar performance advantages.

And on top of that, how often do you fly Luftwaffe aircraft? Once a month? Twice? I FLY THEM EVERY DAY!

I really don´t see the point of that argument.

No, my planes are those of the glorious Luftwaffe!!!
I think you´re getting a bit emotional

Id say let those of us who will actually fly the plane weigh in on what we should get next as far as German bombers.

I´d say: We all pay our 15$ so all of our opinions have the same weight. And I am afraid, both your and mine opinions don´t have that much weight to HTC at all regarding to the addition of new planes
And who said the I do NOT fly Luftwaffe planes or will not fly the He111???

And you are the first person i have ever heard say no to the Heinkel.

Well, I admit that my words were a bit unclear: I did not say No to the Heinkel as such, but I tried to sayd No to getting it before other bombers.

If we voted on it, it wager everything i own (which isnt that much actually ) that people would rather the Heinkel than a Dornier![

I would nerver take this GAME so serious

I apologise for going berzerk on you, but i really want to see a Heinkel, and i have NO fondness whatsoever for the late-war Dorniers!

Oh no need to apologize, i did not see any personal attack in this

I think it´s totally ok to like or dislike certain planes. Real pilots did the same. (And I have my own favs, which we will NEVER see in this game )

I like the Heinkel 111 too. But because of the reasons stated above and the fact, that it would be shredded in the MA as easy as the Ju 88, I would still prefer other bombers to be added first.

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:47:07 AM »

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Originally posted by mipoikel
This is getting almost funny. Everytime someone asks a plane, you come to say that we dont need it. Please change that "we " to "I". Sounds better, you cant know what other people "need". LOL

Tsk tsk. Such a rude response. This game doesn't need late war 500mph fighters. This game doesn't need spitfires with 4x20mm guns. This game doesn't need the LA9 or the P51K.

These statements are obvious. Those bases are already covered. Those aircraft are either already in the game, didn't play a major part in the war, or weren't made in any numbers.

Also, when considering that AH is predominantly a late war game, in regards to what rides we have available and what we see at any given time, the late ware planeset is the one with the most redundancy, with the most similar performance characteristics. If I read a post asking for a P47M, for example, I am going to reply and say "we don't need that" -- and I will explain my reasons why.

So,

It's not that I'm saying "we don't need this" a lot, it's that folks are suggesting a lot of planes that -- get ready for it, here it comes! -- we really, honestly, truly, don't need.

VooWho · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:38:10 PM »

Sorry to break the war in here guys, but my post was about the Ju-188/388, not the HE-111 or Do-17 or 217, though those would be awsome to have, but my post is on the Ju-188/388, and if you want to talk about those other awsome german bombers please make your own topic, and discuss it in there. Now let me start all over.

How about the Ju-188/388

Lusche · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:01:42 PM »

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Originally posted by VooWho
Now let me start all over.

How about the Ju-188/388

Sorry, I like the 217. But I have no real argument against the 188 but some higher production numbers. And personal preference.

Bu to be a bit more serious again:
If we ever get to see the 388, I think it should be perked analog to the 152. A very late war bird with only about 100 produced. I think most of them were nightfighters but I am not sure about that detail.

Hap · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:15:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
We don't need the Do17Z. It was obsolete by the time BOB came around, and a lot had been pulled from service. Some soldiered on but the BOB was the last big use of the type.

Krusty, no doubt. But as I read your post, I thought not of the main arena but of special events.

~~hap~~