Author Topic: Multiculturalism, anyone? (Read 609 times)

VOR · « **on:** June 29, 2006, 07:21:01 PM »

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Azhar Nazir, 30, and his cousin, 17, used four knives to cut Samaira Nazir’s throat and repeatedly stab her after she fell in love with an asylum-seeker from what they saw as an unsuitable caste.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2229505,00.html

Preventive measures aka the blame game: choose one item from the list below that you feel was the single greatest contributor to this incident.

1. Illegal Immigration
2. The caste system
3. Knives
4. Education
5. Black magic
6. Islam
7. Money
8. Marriage
9. Western Culture i.e. "Women's Lib"

Saintaw · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:42:57 PM »

10. Stupidity and ignorance.

Find me a culture that doesn't have one of the above.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:26:28 AM »

11. Bush

FiLtH · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:35:03 AM »

12. Oxygen

VOR · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:56:02 AM »

It's ok, guys. I can understand being afraid to commit to an honest answer these days. Your taboo declaration might come with certain undesirable consequences. You'd have to be pretty brave.

Saintaw · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:17:37 AM »

BOMBZ THEM ALL!!! MAKE A HUGE PARKING LOT!!!

happy now?

I rest my case.

Thud · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:21:59 AM »

I think this cannot be retraced to a single point on the list, Islam contributes to it, male-female role patterns in the eastern world do so as well. And of course the complete idiocy of those involved in this one.

But of course that wasn't the answer you wanted to hear, that would be "Multiculturalism sucks!"

There you go...

VOR · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:43:55 AM »

I'm not looking for a particular answer. I picked most of the keywords from the article and added the bit about gender-roles at the end.

I agree that it's a combination of things, but to honestly answer the question is going to be unpopular with someone somewhere. You might be branded, threatened, ridiculed, compartmentalized (cough). Don't you think this might disrupt any potential cure to the underlying problem (whatever it may be)? It's all hypothetical and can't be quantified anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

Ok, let me rephrase the question. Which single *controllable* factor would you eliminate in order to prevent or minimize the risk of this happening again?

Saintaw, don't get uppity me. I didn't kill anyone. Keep your stereotyping to yourself.

Saintaw · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:06:50 AM »

My initial post was a honnest answer. You didn't like it and seemed to be expecting someone to ... I dunno exactly.
My 2nd post doesn't imply you killin'anyone... it's just the answer I'm expecting to hear shortly from the hicks on this board.

My appologies if I hurt your feelings, I wasn't sniping... think of it more as a pray-n-spray.

VOR · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:20:09 AM »

Saintaw, I dismissed your first answer because I don't believe it's true. These aren't stupid or ignorant people. They're successful businessmen/women who owned/ operated multiple businesses in the UK, including a business specialising in human resources.

I don't think they're stupid. I believe they carefully thought this through over a course of time and decided it was in the best interest of their family unit. They intelligently made a decision, although of course I won't call it a sound decision because I don't think cutting the throats of one's siblings or children is ever going to be a necessary solution to any problem.

No, they're not stupid or ignorant people, but they're very different people from you or me. They're different, and of course you and I as modern, enlightened and educated people celebrate cultural diversity and at a bare minimum tolerate what we don't choose to embrace. Right?

So, if the core issue here isn't intelligence, what is it? Why did this happen,and what can be done to prevent it in the future? Like I said, difficult questions to answer without hurting somebody's feelings.

Saintaw · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:47:36 AM »

VOR,

I'll agree with you on a point... it's a f**ed up story.

Someone using cultural/religious beliefs as an excuse for murder makes him an idiot to my eyes, even if he's a CEO or a Dphil.

I can however find a lot of f** ed stories that have nothing to do with culture or religion.

VOR · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:58:10 AM »

That's kinda my point. They're not using their background or upbringing as a "cover" to commit murder. They really believe in their hearts they did the right thing, and you or I may never understand why it was "necessary". Idiots don't achieve the things this family has achieved. Again, I say they're not stupid, idiotic, ignorant or in any other way mentally substandard. They're just different.

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I can however find a lot of f** ed stories that have nothing to do with culture or religion.

So could I. So could anyone. If you're looking for a way out of saying what you're really thinking, consider yourself off the hook. As for myself, I'll admit that I don't appreciate the differences in their culture vs. mine that would compel them to murder this woman, with knives, in front of two screaming children in order to preserve their family honor. Then again, I'm just a hick sometimes.

Saintaw · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2006, 04:08:56 AM »

I agree.

I am just a little premptively agressive sometimes, go figure...

Thud · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2006, 04:11:27 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Idiots don't achieve the things this family has achieved. Again, I say they're not stupid, idiotic, ignorant or in any other way mentally substandard. They're just different.

Achieving commercial success and being an idiot are not mutually exclusive at all. The thing is, culture wasn't listed in your initial top 9, perhaps it should've been. In that case I'd have to say that could be earmarked as the predominant factor causing this drama.

VOR · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2006, 05:15:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Thud
Multiculturalism sucks!