C205

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Oldman731
What are you flying in this scenario, Widewing?

- oldman

Bf 109F-4, G-2. Any F4U, etc. Personally, the 109F-4 would be my choice for dueling virtually anything. The beating it hands out to fighters like the C.202, C.205, Ki-61, even the Yak-9U is remarkable.

All of the above are thought to be great turn fighters. They are certainly not in that category. Whereas the Yak is thought to be very good, the 109F-4 eats it up in a stall fight.

Here's some data from actual testing: From my testing and from Mosq's data where I hadn't tested yet.

Turn Radius / Turn Rate in degrees/sec
C.202: 490 ft / 19.8
C.205: 566 ft / 18.6
Ki-61: 520 ft / 18.0
Yak-9U: 520 ft/ 19.2
109F-4: 431 ft/ 21.0
109G-2: 460 ft / 20.5

Turning ability, 25% fuel, using flaps, within the whole of the plane set, the C.202 ranks about mid pack, The C.205 is far below that, in the lower 1/3rd. In contrast, among fighters, the 109F-4 ranks in the upper 20%.

Just remember, when turn radius is similar, turn rate will prevail. Moreover, more often than not, turn rate is a better measure of turning ability than radius alone.

You can go to DokGonzo's performance page here and compare performance yourself.

My regards,

Widewing

[gatt]

IMHO the 205 is an excellent mid 1943 fighter. It is very good even in our late-war-mosnters main arena. Keep it fast at medium-high alts, best between 14 and 18K. And no, 109's are not a problem against well flown Veltro's

You wont have much problems even against bombers. BTW, the 205 punch should be actually better than a 2 cannon armed 190's since her cannons have a better ROF (they fire outside of the propeller arc, so they are not syncronized).

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Widewing
Bf 109F-4, G-2. Any F4U, etc.  

I think that was my point.  205 isn't the best turn fighter, but people who are good in it can be very effective at turn fighting with all but the best turn fighters.

- oldman

[Angus]

Sometimes pick the 202 on base defence.
Just 2 guns, and 50 fuel.
One can turn inside very many hehe:D

[Sketch]

Originally posted by Krusty
That was divine punishment for all the vulching!
Honestly! To sully the name of the Macchi by using it to VULCH! The indignity!!

But you should have seen all the sheep running for thier lives!

[red26]

So what would be the best range setting for the cannons on the 205? Ive been flying one in the tranning arena for some time now I still can turn the darn this but in diving in on some one its great. But hey I cant even turn fight a P-40 wile flying the zero and the P-51D's seem to take me out of the air soon to wile im in the zero. But anyways what would be the best setting for the 205 guys?

[Krusty]

Red record your fights for a while. Ignore range, just look at the gunsite picture. When it "clicks" in your head, shoot. When you review the film, pause it JUST as you start shooting, note the range. Do this for several different attacks. Then set your convergence right around that range.

You want to set convergence at the range you most likely shoot at. That will probably be 250 to 300 (average).

[red26]

I try not to shoot unless im 300 or lower It seems on what my grandfather used to say the closer the better he flew the P-51D and 47 in Europe but I didnt get much time to talk to him about it. And any tips on turn fighting???

[Krusty]

bank wings, pull up. When you spin out, stop pulling up.

[red26]

 rgr that:lol

[EagleDNY]

Earlier post:
Here's some data from actual testing: From my testing and from Mosq's data where I hadn't tested yet.

Turn Radius / Turn Rate in degrees/sec
C.202: 490 ft / 19.8
C.205: 566 ft / 18.6
Ki-61: 520 ft / 18.0
Yak-9U: 520 ft/ 19.2
109F-4: 431 ft/ 21.0
109G-2: 460 ft / 20.5

Still have to contend that the c.205 is much better at the B&Z than it will ever be in a turnfight.  The high speed controllability is up there with the 190D (much better than any of the 109s, thats for sure).  

The turn radius data is interesting since I didn't think the 205 was THAT bad a turner, although I do have to agree with the "wobbles horribly at low speed" post too.  

Keep it fast, dive down on your victim and let him have both barrels.  There isn't anything you can't catch in a big divin' 205, and the zoom climb at 500 kts generally keeps you out of trouble.  With an ENY of 40, the perkies are pretty nice too

EagleDNY
$.02

[red26]

Ok now I need a little help with my turn fighting it seems that once I get into a turn and try to get out of it I dye and If I stay in a turn I get to stall speed andthen dye i dont know what I doing wroung but it seems no matter what i do to get out of a turn even if the turn is just a few 100 or so feet once i get out of it the outher plane killes me? can some one help me with this?

[Krusty]

Okay define turn. You don't just want to flat turn over and over. Do a scissors, or a half turn then fly straight then reverse, or something.

Spice things up!

[gatt]

I keep my convergence at about 350yds for both 20 and 12,7mm and it works well.  

Red26,

generally speaking you should not enter a real turn-loop fight when driving a C.205. Real turners apart (like Spits, Niks, Ki84s, Zekes, Hurries ...), the arena is populated by full-flaps UFOs as well ... like F4Us, P47s, Bf110s and P38s who will eat you alive. So, stay fast and fight vertically, use Yo-Yo's ... and keep your SA high. You can also practice with 109s, the fighting style is almost the same, but be aware of compression at high speeds.

[AceGec3D]

The C205 is quite awsome! after all, Italy made the Ferrari