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Offline Brenjen

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« on: June 30, 2006, 07:39:04 PM »
This is a news story on Yahoo, reprinted from an A.P. story, if it's found to be true the offenders should be executed in public, in Iraq. I am all for our military & our operations in Iraq, but this sort of behaviour can't be tolerated & they should be made to suffer equally.

BEIJI, Iraq - A group of American soldiers in an insurgent-riddled town allegedly noticed a young Iraqi woman when on patrol and later returned to rape her, according to U.S. officials Friday. In an apparent cover-up attempt, she and three members of her family then were killed and her body was set on fire.
 
Five U.S. troops are being investigated, a U.S. military official told The Associated Press. It was the sixth known inquiry into alleged slayings of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.

The suspects in the killing, which took place in March, were from the same platoon as two soldiers kidnapped and killed south of Baghdad this month, said the official, who is close to the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

One soldier was arrested after admitting his role in the alleged attack on the family, the U.S. official said. The official said the rape and killings appear to have been a "crime of opportunity," noting that the soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.

One of the family members they allegedly killed was a child, said a senior Army official who also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. Some of the suspects allegedly burned the woman's body to cover up the attack, the U.S. official said.

In Baghdad, the U.S. military issued a sparse statement, saying only that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad.

However, the U.S. official said the soldiers were assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment. The official told the AP that the suspects were from the same platoon as two slain soldiers whose mutilated bodies were found June 19, three days after they were abducted by insurgents near Youssifiyah southwest of Baghdad.

The military has said one and possibly both of the slain soldiers were tortured and beheaded. The official said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one member of the platoon to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

According to the senior Army official, the alleged incident was first revealed by a soldier during a routine counseling-type session. The official said that soldier did not witness the incident but heard about it.

A second soldier, who also was not involved, said he overhead soldiers conspiring to commit the crimes and then later saw bloodstains on their clothes, the official said.

Before the soldier disclosed the alleged assault, senior officers had been aware of the family's death but believed it was a result of sectarian violence, the official said.

One of the five suspects has already been discharged for unspecified charges unrelated to the killings and is believed to be in the United States, two U.S. officials said on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. The others have had their weapons taken away and are confined to a U.S. base near Mahmoudiya.

The allegations of rape could generate a particularly strong backlash in        Iraq, a conservative, strongly religious society in which many women will not even shake hands with men who are not close relatives.

The case is among the most serious against U.S. soldiers allegedly involved in the deaths of Iraqi civilians. At least 14 U.S. troops have been convicted.

Last week, seven Marines and one Navy medic were charged with premeditated murder in the shooting death of an Iraqi man near Fallujah west of Baghdad.

U.S. officials are also investigating allegations that U.S. Marines killed two dozen unarmed Iraqi civilians Nov. 19 in the western town of Haditha in a revenge attack after a fellow Marine died in a roadside bombing.

Other cases involve the deaths of three male detainees in Salahuddin province in May, the shooting death of unarmed Iraqi man near Ramadi in February, and the death of an Iraqi soldier after an interrogation in 2003 at a detention camp in Qaim.

The allegations have aroused public anger against the U.S. military presence at a time when the new Iraqi government and U.S. authorities are trying to reach out to disaffected Sunni Arabs to quell the insurgency and calm sectarian tensions.

On Saturday, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki leaves for a whirlwind trip to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates to seek support for his national reconciliation initiative, which includes an amnesty for the mostly Sunni insurgents.

Al-Maliki is also expected to brief the Sunni leadership of those three countries on his efforts to deal with the divisions between *****es and Sunnis. Iraq's neighbors in the Persian Gulf fear sectarian tensions will spill over into their countries, which are dominated by Sunnis but have large *****e minorities.

On Friday, radical *****e cleric Muqtada al-Sadr rejected al-Maliki's initiative because it does not include a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led foreign troops.

"We demand the occupation forces to leave the country, or at least a timetable should be set for their withdrawal," al-Sadr said during a sermon.

Despite al-Maliki's efforts, there has been no letup in Iraq's violence. The U.S. military reported four more American service members have died, including a Marine killed Friday in fighting west of Baghdad. Three Army soldiers died in combat the day before, the military said.

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2006, 07:55:58 PM »
I saw that just a few minutes ago.  If this is indeed the case then the capture torture and killing of those american soldiers (from the same unit as the soldiers accused of rape and murder) might have been a revenge killing....dunno.

No mercy for soldiers who rape.  Courts martial and execute any if found guilty.

Absolutely no excuse for such behavior in war :mad:
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 09:19:22 PM »
Umm, when are we going to stop accepting "A So-and-so Official" WHO WILL NEVER BE NAMED EVER as the word of god?

Regardless of whether or not this happened, what kind of a ****ing bull**** circus has the media turned to if this is the case with 60% of the stories?
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2006, 09:37:08 PM »
everything i read that i dont like isnt true.
want to know what its like?
go and look.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2006, 09:55:52 PM »
A man named Debonair often cheats on his wife, an official FBI agent who wishes to remain anonymous is now saying.  He has seen him many times during many different nights going to the bar and leaving with women who are not his wife.

Debonair also steals money from local orphanage donation boxes this official agent has also said.  Debonair likes to support his crack cocaine habit, the official claims.



Must be true, right?  Because an official says it, it is true.  Name him?  I don't have to name him, you just have to know that he's an official and his word is god.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2006, 12:15:21 AM »
Debonair is an airplane, a Beech 35-B33

Its faster than your toy boat

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2006, 12:51:25 AM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
A man named Debonair often cheats on his wife, an official FBI agent who wishes to remain anonymous is now saying.  He has seen him many times during many different nights going to the bar and leaving with women who are not his wife.

Debonair also steals money from local orphanage donation boxes this official agent has also said.  Debonair likes to support his crack cocaine habit, the official claims.



Must be true, right?  Because an official says it, it is true.  Name him?  I don't have to name him, you just have to know that he's an official and his word is god.


"A group of American soldiers ..."

"Five U.S. troops are being investigated ... "

"The suspects in the killing, which took place in March, were from the same platoon as two soldiers kidnapped and killed south of Baghdad this month."

"In Baghdad, the U.S. military issued a sparse statement, saying only that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad."

" ... said the official, who is close to the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case."

" ... said a senior Army official who also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing."

"One of the five suspects has already been discharged for unspecified charges unrelated to the killings and is believed to be in the United States, two U.S. officials said on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. "

1: No names were reported other than Maj. Gen Thurman .... who has ordered an investigation. No libel. No, it's not the same as your example. At all.

2: Investigation ongoing.

3: And it's not all fantasy. It's just not complete. The family was killed. We know who killed them. The investigation will determine the details. This is nothing new. Police are investigated here everytime they fire a gun. There ... it has to be something suspected of an extreme nature.

4: You seem to have misplaced anger over this. If you wanna get mad then get mad that there's people involved in the investigation that like to talk to the press but are afraid to have their names associated with their statements ... for *whatever* reason (sensitive case, ongoing investigation, whoops, my boss might hand me my butt for speaking out of turn). Save some of that just in case it turns out to be true. Or, for that matter, false. Then you can channel it where it belongs.

Of course ... that last part is just a suggestion. :D

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2006, 07:11:46 AM »
The story has a distinct stench to it that can be smelled a mile away.
Stinks like a can of tuna left in the Texas sun.
Smells like sensationalism without the worry of truth.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2006, 09:43:30 AM »
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Originally posted by Jackal1
The story has a distinct stench to it that can be smelled a mile away.
Stinks like a can of tuna left in the Texas sun.
Smells like sensationalism without the worry of truth.


 Let's hope so Jakal; if it is found to be true we should show the world we don't put up with that sort of B.S. from anyone - esspecially not our own. If guilty, their bodies should be burned in Iraq & left there.

 Alomost all the other cases I have heard I thought the guys on the ground did what they had to do in a split second decision, right or wrong. And there have been a few isolated incidents of murder, between a couple of our troops & an Iraqi or two; your average urban violence type stuff.

 But these accusations are way over the top, beyond simple murder in the heat of the momment. If it is proven to be true & those two soldiers were captured & tortured in retaliation it's going to give the resistance & the foreign fighters more credibility.

 The United States must get to the bottom of this & be open & transparent for all to see what was found or not found. It looks bad to me since the report claims one soldier has come forward & confessed. Rape & murder is not what a man is about, and certainly not an American man, talk about lacking honor.

 Finding these allegations to be true would be the best arguement for a complete immediate pullout I've heard up until now.

 Sorry guys, but this sort of crime is one I can't stomach. Killing women & children is sometimes unavoidable and even nessecary in war, but rape & murder isn't.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2006, 10:23:10 AM »
maybe the Iraq leader can give amnesty to the american solders when he gives amnesty to the terrorists.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2006, 10:55:30 AM »
The news story I read in the paper (it was an AP story) said that one soldier had confessed to his part in the rape/murder.

I hope the press are wrong on this one.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2006, 11:24:27 AM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Umm, when are we going to stop accepting "A So-and-so Official" WHO WILL NEVER BE NAMED EVER as the word of god?


no one above you in the thread did laser.

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2006, 11:59:28 AM »
oops wrong thread lol
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