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leonid · « **Reply #30 on:** November 10, 2000, 12:47:00 AM »

Cabby,
You are a hypocrite. You talk of liberal embellishments, yet your own language is full of nothing but rhetoric, and snide remarks.

I think it's time for you to go grease your weapons now. They're getting rusty.

leonid · « **Reply #31 on:** November 10, 2000, 01:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Regurge:
So having money causes you to loose money? Does that actually make sense to you?

What should our work be rewarded with? Food? Water? A hefty pat on the back and a "well done"

Your post reminds me of the stories of Soviet citizens who when told of western supermarkets, and shopping malls would just shake their heads, and smile, saying, "Western propaganda." In fact, there are quite a few things that we could be getting in return for our work, and our taxes. It's just that strong political forces have labeled such programs as 'communist-socialist activities'. And we all know there's no better way to get a 'patriotic' American's undies in a bunch, than to utter the word, "Red." Thank big business, and that parochial idiot, McCarthy.

Dowding · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2000, 08:34:00 AM »

Cabby - that 'quote' was accurrate by inference from your comment. You even agree with it.

You clearly are only open to 'politically correct' judgements that paint a black and white picture of the world. Again, I advise you to read about Stalin some more, or failing that, a complete history of the USSR from pre-revolution to its fall. Stalin was a political genius and an excellent judge of character. He was as evil as perhaps anybody could be, but he certainly wasn't a moron. He had to be intelligent to be able to hold on to absolute power for so long (especially since he repeatedly eliminated his closest henchmen, while still avoiding a coup d'etat). I certainly don't admire him and it amuses me greatly that you are unable to deviate from the McCarthy view of socialism.

To people like you socialism will always equate to communism, and you will never be able to see that make such a comment is as indefensible as equating conservatism to fascism.

Saddam Hussein is a tyrant, and should be treated as such. But the embargo on humanitarian aid to Iraq by the US and UK is nothing short of a disgrace.

Zigrat - communism certainly couldn't work on a grand scale, and I wouldn't advocate it as an alternative to modern democracy. But that doesn't mean some of the ideas that it developed should be cast aside. And socialism should never be confused with communism.

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Regurge · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2000, 10:56:00 AM »

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Originally posted by leonid:
In fact, there are quite a few things that we could be getting in return for our work, and our taxes.

Such as.....what? I would really like to know.

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sling322 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2000, 05:43:00 PM »

I second Regurge....exactly what are you talking about leonid? You spout all of this jibberish about "other rewards" that our country can give us, but its all very vague. Care to expand on this wonderful world that you envision?

LuckyDay · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2000, 07:07:00 PM »

More precisely, what can government provide using our taxes that private industry could not provide with better quality for less money?

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"In fact, there are quite a few things that we could be getting in return for our work, and our taxes."

fd ski · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2000, 07:23:00 PM »

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Originally posted by 1776:
Yeager, don't forget liberals think all military personal only count as 3/5s of a person

Bull.
4 years in USN and liberal here.

Hamish - i'm a liberal and managed to be in Persian Gulf for 6 months twice in my time.

Why does everyone assume that military is full of rednecks and good old boys ?
if you were to get a racial statistic of any service you would find more blacks and hispanics there then in normal population, and you should remember that those groups ususally vote for democrats.

Saying that everyone in military is a gun totting repulican is like saying that everyone who lives south of Washington DC is a illiterate redneck.

Leonid - isn't it hilarious that people like us who've seen the evils of communism have to defend it ?

cracks me up everytime...

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

Cabby · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2000, 08:30:00 PM »

Fd-Ski:

There are lots of "hills to die on", but defending Communism is not one i would choose. I guess because you are a Liberal, and therefore "broad-minded" and "inclusive", you defend Facism with the same fervor as you defend Communism?? After all i, an ignorant hillbilly, have trouble distinguishing between the two.

Cabby

fd ski · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2000, 10:25:00 PM »

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Originally posted by cabby:
Fd-Ski:

There are lots of "hills to die on", but defending Communism is not one i would choose. I guess because you are a Liberal, and therefore "broad-minded" and "inclusive", you defend Facism with the same fervor as you defend Communism?? After all i, an ignorant hillbilly, have trouble distinguishing between the two.

Cabby

You see Cabby, difference between out approaches is the fact that you assume something is evil ( communism ) without any direct first head knowledge of it while i try to be open minded to things.

Communism, while it didn't work out, is a noble idea. The good and equality for all, the very essence of what idealistic communist tried to create was noble in character.

Execusion sucked, i agree, but it doesn't mean that everyone who is willing to see past the propagana is some sort of evil communist trying to undermind the world order.

I lived in communism. I educated me, it took care of me. I came from poor family, and after living in capitalizm, i think i was lucky to be brought up in communism, being poor and all.
But, it's not a perfect system. It doesn't work, but with advences in economics, maybe one day it could.

Maybe one day we would be able to give up the money chasing so pounded into our heads by other money chasers and enjoy our stay on the planet. Work because of passion - not salary. Spend time with families, not work overtime for promotion. Maybe one day the backstabbing "i got to have a nicer car then you" attitudes will end. Maybe ?

Would it be so awful ? Really, would it ?
Why are you so afraid of chance and improvement ?
Why does opening up to new and better things scare you so badly ?
Do you really think we should barricade outselves in our ranches with rifles and bibles in case that "liberal government" tries to take them away from us ?

We've met twice by now. I enjoyed your company and i know you for a nice and pleasant fellow you are, but your "us/them" mentality is still a mistery to me Cabby.
We're all the same, you know. Rich and poor, sick and healthy. Black and while. Straight and gay. We're all humans and with notable exception of few sick f___s, most of us wish others well.

Sorry... too many beers for one evening

You all can go back to fighting over Gore and evil Hilary now

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

Yeager · « **Reply #39 on:** November 10, 2000, 11:05:00 PM »

Im dumbfounded.

Yeager

1776 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2000, 11:46:00 PM »

I seem to remember a book called "Animal Farm".

leonid · « **Reply #41 on:** November 11, 2000, 12:32:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Regurge:
Such as.....what? I would really like to know.

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Wow, you guys really are in the dark. Okay, how about guaranteed housing for all, guaranteed health care, and a guaranteed pension plan that is viable. This isn't pipe dreaming either, it's a fact in quite a few other industrialized nations. So what if it's socialistic??? Who gives a rat's ass? If it improves the citizenry as a whole, it can only help.

In America, if you make enough money, or are extremely aggressive with your investments (again, need a fair chunk of cash), such an arrangement as housing, health care, and pension are all within easy reach. But if you don't make enough money, then your choices dwindle rapidly. Thus, having viable choices in America is directly proportional to how much money you have. We are certainly free to try and make more money, but in the business world nothing is guaranteed. This should not be the way to provide for a nation's citizenry. Every citizen should be guaranteed housing, health care, and pension. At least in my book.

Yeager · « **Reply #42 on:** November 11, 2000, 01:12:00 AM »

Every citizen should be guaranteed housing, health care, and pension. At least in my book.
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Are we talking salary caps here Leonid?

Yeager

Fatty · « **Reply #43 on:** November 11, 2000, 01:17:00 AM »

You'd have to get rid of trivial non-productive capitalist wastes of time like Aces High, of course.

Regurge · « **Reply #44 on:** November 11, 2000, 01:36:00 AM »

Thanks leo, i understand (and respect) specifics like that much more than flowery, abiguous sentances.

Actually I'd like to see a new thread on this. I got some questions for u, but i gotta sleep now.