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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2006, 04:21:13 PM »
only difference is, the long range missile they tested yesterday has the range to hit the west coast of the US.  As far as i know, and i could be wrong, Iraq didnt have anything like this.  Cant tell if your being a smartarse or not, but just saying what ive heard.
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« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2006, 04:37:26 PM »
sea of japan = pwnd

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« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2006, 04:52:05 PM »
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only difference is, the long range missile they tested yesterday has the range to hit the west coast of the US.  As far as i know, and i could be wrong, Iraq didnt have anything like this.  Cant tell if your being a smartarse or not, but just saying what ive heard.


The long-range missile test failed. So far, they're 0-2 with the big sticks.
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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2006, 06:01:05 PM »
Sandman is smart, not a smart ass.

There are plenty of countries capable of hitting the US with a variety of weapons. China has the warheads and delivery capability, and so do many of the former Soviet states, still with targeting info set for the US. Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

This game has been played on the Korean peninsula for half a century. It's just the way it is.

A state of war still exists and the demarcation lines on land and water are the place where strength of will and posturing to scare the bejeezus out of the guys on the other side of the fence are the rules. Make the other guy believe that you are the bigger, meaner mother with a hair trigger.

Incursions are made, shots are fired, people die - all part of the unique dance on the peninsula.

Of course the North Korean military is fanatical in their devotion to their cause. Isn't that what all military are, or strive to be? Fearless and invincible? Isn't that the political strategy for any leader of any country? Get the population waving the flag and defending the notion to fever pitch that they are a chosen nation filled with the smartest, bravest, most righteous people defending their way of life as the best on Earth.

The bone-headed "axis of evil" speech changed the dynamic of the peninsula and played right into the hand of Kim Jung Il. Here was a label on the world stage that singled out North Korea with Iraq and Iran. The first one on the list, Iraq, was invaded and the other two were handed a golden opportunity to claim that they would be next. Why wouldn't they be next? What the hell else could they do except further arm and defend themselves from invasion?

They were handed the opportunity to say to the world, "You threatened us and we will defend ourselves." They were given the opening to overtly declare their nuclear intentions and can easily say that they have every legal right to test missiles, or even test their nuclear devices. They can claim they have a moral obligation to defend themselves.

A two bit tyrant son of a tyrant was given the chance to elevate his stature in the world. A few years ago, North Korea was the nation most disliked and least trusted in surveys around the world. They were displaced by Iran last year as Iran began to assert itself in response to being on the evil list. Maybe they can work themselves into the top spot again.

Politicians from all countries involved or near will find a way to maximize fear out of this, with the press being a willing accomplice.

(By the way, Charon, US forces are not in any country because the US cares deeply about the people of that country. US forces are in every country they are in for the political self interest of being there. The "We are your Savior" card doesn't play well anywhere.)

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« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2006, 06:14:50 PM »
Since the United States military is an imperialistic destabilizing force on the world  motivated strictly to serve the best interests of the United States alone, I should think having all overseas United States military return to the United States would have a purely stabilizing influence on the rest of the world.

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« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2006, 07:10:11 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2006, 07:38:28 PM »
Blue, i love the aviator! lol :lol


And just because they are 0-2 doesnt mean they wont be 1-3.
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« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2006, 08:10:29 PM »
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The "We are your Savior" card doesn't play well anywhere.


It played pretty dammed well in 1950. One Pusan away from reunification. Korea wasn't WW2 where you had Britain holding it alone at the start and the massive Soviet land army making their crucial contributions to victory. I think "Savior Card" was highly appropriate then, and would be in the immediate future.

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By the way, Charon, US forces are not in any country because the US cares deeply about the people of that country. US forces are in every country they are in for the political self interest of being there.


The end of the Cold war eliminated much of the "self interest" founded on superpower regional influence. The self interest as mutual business partners has also waned post cold war, as the financial crisis of 1997 would indicate. Many Asisn economies offer better partnership opportunities today with more growth potential and lower labor costs. I think the Taiwanese have more to worry about where "self interest" is concerend (the lack there of), but frankly Korea may be sliding up there as well.

Furthermore, the younger folk in the South don't really want us there anymore (some legitimate gripes as well) and It's hard to see an absolute "need" to be there should S. Korea dramatically expand it's own defenses. Korea has plenty of economic strength relative to the dire threat to the North and warm bodies like Kweassa to man the DMZ.

So yeah, where our relationship with South Korea is concerend I feel that today it is one based more on honoring past commitments than self interest. In 1980 that would not have been the case.

Charon

BTW

Here's an interesting article I came across when truing to find the date of the Korean financial crisis. Interesting read on the state of the relationship.

http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp93.html
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« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2006, 09:09:47 PM »
I was wondering if they didn't launch duds just to throw us all off ...
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« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2006, 09:34:42 PM »
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I was wondering if they didn't launch duds just to throw us all off ...


Exactly! What a ruse! Almost as good as Hussein moving all of his really nasty weapons to Syria on the eve of the U.S. invasion.
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