Author Topic: Operation Downfall patches (Read 13666 times)

68falcon · « **Reply #105 on:** August 16, 2006, 11:37:27 AM »

I would like one also

Gunslngr · « **Reply #106 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:22:42 PM »

Yes I would take two!!!!!:)

Dace · « **Reply #107 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:50:33 PM »

OO me me i would like one.

Brooke · « **Reply #108 on:** August 30, 2006, 10:07:21 PM »

The first patch proof is in. Based on the below, I would recommend some changes. Don't get concerned that it doesn't have the look we want quite yet. Most patches go through some rounds of adjustment to get them right.

Based on this, I would recommend:

1. No "Tokyo" or gold star to denote Tokyo on the landmass that represents Japan. "Tokyo" came out as just a white smear, and the gold star is just a dot at that resolution.

2. Larger aircraft, somewhat repositioned. They are a little small for the outlines to come out as well as folks would probably like. Don't worry about the "butterfly" looking wings on the F4U -- that's just how the artist rendered it so far. If you want to keep the planes the same size, they would still look better after adjusting the wing rendition.

3. I might suggest (not sure about it yet) no thick stitching around the outside of the patch. Without it, the outside will look more crisp. The thicker stitching around the outside isn't all bad, though.

With this in mind, what do people think -- especially 96delta, what do you think?

Brooke · « **Reply #109 on:** August 30, 2006, 10:08:49 PM »

By the way, the good parts so far is that the carrier, the outline of Japan, and the rising-sun and rays on the left look great.

doobs · « **Reply #110 on:** August 30, 2006, 10:18:33 PM »

WOW looks friggin awesome, leave the butterfly wings to represent the smack down...J/K. Guess there was no room for the "Glorious master of the Rising Sun doobs" oh well I'll just take one for the team.

Seriously looks amazing:aok

SD67 · « **Reply #111 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:03:10 AM »

I like it a lot!
Great first proof. Things I would change, leading edges of the F4U on the wing anf Horizontal stab. to be swept back just a tad, drop the Tokyo text but keep a gold dot to signify the prize.
That's all I'd change.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #112 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:12:45 AM »

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Originally posted by SD67
I like it a lot!
Great first proof. Things I would change, leading edges of the F4U on the wing anf Horizontal stab. to be swept back just a tad, drop the Tokyo text but keep a gold dot to signify the prize.
That's all I'd change.

Unfortunately, they've been manufactured, shipped, and probably mailed by now.

Krusty · « **Reply #113 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:55:51 AM »

No, he only just posted the first proof a day before you posted! Usually it takes 2 or more proofs to get things right. Stalin's Fourth had a LOT of revisions.

96Delta · « **Reply #114 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:34:18 PM »

1. No "Tokyo" or gold star to denote Tokyo on the landmass that represents Japan. "Tokyo" came out as just a white smear, and the gold star is just a dot at that resolution.

2. Larger aircraft, somewhat repositioned. They are a little small for the outlines to come out as well as folks would probably like. Don't worry about the "butterfly" looking wings on the F4U -- that's just how the artist rendered it so far. If you want to keep the planes the same size, they would still look better after adjusting the wing rendition.

3. I might suggest (not sure about it yet) no thick stitching around the outside of the patch. Without it, the outside will look more crisp. The thicker stitching around the outside isn't all bad, though.

Hey Brooke,
Looks very good for a first draft. Those patch guys are pretty good!

On your points:

1) Tokyo - yes, I say dispense with it. Its not adding anything to the final design. Maybe add a larger star to denote "the prize" as SD67 eloquently stated.

2) I wholeheartedly agree with you on enlarging the plane outlines. Would look much better and fill that space better as well. And yes, as SD67 noted, the wings on that F4U look like they are forward swept. They need to be moved perpendicular to the fuselage.

3) the thick stitching around the patch is called a "merrowed edge". I'm unsure about this too. It does look a bit crowded and out of scale doesn't it? And the edges are softened and not as crisp as I would like. I would vote to go with a cut patch with a different edge treatment. Look at the examples on this page to see how an intricate patch outline can look without the thick merrowed edge.

http://www.americanpatch.com/patches/military/index.html

I think this kind of crispness is what we are after so my vote, again, would be to lose the thick edging treatment.

Thanks for the work in getting this done Brooke.

~~David~~

OOZ662 · « **Reply #115 on:** August 31, 2006, 11:22:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
No, he only just posted the first proof a day before you posted! Usually it takes 2 or more proofs to get things right. Stalin's Fourth had a LOT of revisions.

I was thinking of the Stalin's Fourth patches.

Brooke · « **Reply #116 on:** September 01, 2006, 01:07:11 AM »

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Originally posted by 96Delta

1) Tokyo - yes, I say dispense with it. Its not adding anything to the final design. Maybe add a larger star to denote "the prize" as SD67 eloquently stated.

2) I wholeheartedly agree with you on enlarging the plane outlines. Would look much better and fill that space better as well. And yes, as SD67 noted, the wings on that F4U look like they are forward swept. They need to be moved perpendicular to the fuselage.

3) the thick stitching around the patch is called a "merrowed edge". I'm unsure about this too. It does look a bit crowded and out of scale doesn't it? And the edges are softened and not as crisp as I would like. I would vote to go with a cut patch with a different edge treatment. Look at the examples on this page to see how an intricate patch outline can look without the thick merrowed edge.

Given that, 96Delta, can you produce another jpeg of the artwork with bigger planes (although they don't need to be much bigger -- you choose how big), no "Tokyo", and a larger star to denote Tokyo?

As for the merrowed edge, Stalin's and several others are without it and look fine. I'll ask for it to be removed.

96Delta · « **Reply #117 on:** September 01, 2006, 11:48:18 AM »

Will do.
Won't be until sometime next week though.

David

Krusty · « **Reply #118 on:** September 01, 2006, 01:47:40 PM »

Actually I don't think bigger planes will improve it. I like them as-is. It's getting crowded, as the proportions are slightly smaller than the default image had.

If you make the planes larger, you simply take up whatever room is left. That's not the goal, to crowd it. It needs a sense of empty space, in my opinion. I'd like it if the patch were slightly larger but everything else were still the same size (just shifted in proportion outwards a bit).

I like the planes as-is (with the corsair wing getting fixed, I mean). Agree on "Tokyo" removal. maybe just a circle. You have the same problem making a star as you do typing "Tokyo". I say a circle or square would do just fine, just make it stand out more. I could barely see there was a smudge where "Tokyo" was supposed to be.

EDIT: The dot is already there. I say just remove the text over it.

Brooke · « **Reply #119 on:** September 01, 2006, 08:42:04 PM »

Whatever you guys decide is fine with me -- whatever you post and like as artwork is what I'll go with next as a revision.

It is true that, even with planes at the current size, we can fix the shape of the Corsair wings.