Irkutsk, A-310, board ¹ 778.

[SOB]

If it ain't Boeing I ain'g going!  Well, except for later this month when I fly back home to Wisconsin and any other time I fly on Frontier Airlines or any other airline that happens to be operating an Airbus for a flight I'm on.  Again, if I should die from the plane exploding in mid-air due to it's use of the metric system, I'd like Saw to have all of my hermaphroditic midget pr0n...I know he's the only one here who would truly appreciate it.

[Dago]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Maybe the pilot hit the T/GA button. Or he decided he needed to Go around. Or he got confused on how the reverse works. I bet on the crew more than the plane.

Sucks to die from being almost stoped on the runway.

I believe if you checked into it, you would find the T/GA switch just sets the flight director command bars to the optimum angle for climbout.  And I have serious doubts a pilot flying a jet would forget how the T/Rs work.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Dago
I believe if you checked into it, you would find the T/GA switch just sets the flight director command bars to the optimum angle for climbout.  

Depends on autopilot & auto throttle use/mode at the time of actuation.

[Angus]

"ever since I saw that airbus disaster on tv from the french airshow where the pilot was trying to pull up and the computer was trying to land and the plane plowed into a forest mowing down the trees, crashing and blowing up."

Was that the Paris airshow? I thought it was at Farnborough.
Anyway the Piot needed power but the computer overrode with the logic: uneconomic for the engines. So it got sort of uneconomic when buried in the forestbut it didn't think that far.
Cruise controls you see.....

[Golfer]

Habsheim, France.

[Toad]

Habesheim was about Control Laws.

The pilots were making a low and slow-speed pass at an air show in Habsheim, France. The subsequent crash was captured on video. It shows the Airbus plane disappearing into trees, as if it were making a very slow landing. Then a huge cloud of smoke billows from the forest.

Though the A320 was full of non-paying passengers, all but a few survived.

Lauber said the pilots were supposed to fly by with the gear down at about 100 feet. Instead, they came in at less than 30 feet off the ground. When the plane gets below 50 feet, the computer assumes the pilots are trying to land, Lauber said.

"The fact is, the plane did exactly what it was supposed to do," he said. Only it landed in the trees.

Airbus learned much from that incident, Lauber said.

Until the crash, he said, there was a "genuine psychology" around Airbus that it had designed a crash-proof airplane because of the hard protections.

"The repercussions from that accident continue to reverberate," Lauber acknowledged.

He and others at Airbus know that should one of the Airbus fly-by-wire planes crash in the United States, television will be showing endless video of the Habsheim incident, questioning whether Airbus has placed too much faith in computers.

When the pilot pushes the throttles up, the engines should spool up. Period.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Toad
Depends on autopilot & auto throttle use/mode at the time of actuation.

I am not familiar with the A310, but the later Airbus aircraft do not have auto-throttle.  They have auto-thrust, and I dont believe (again not positive) that the A/GO button changes thrust, pretty sure it doesn't, but pitching the aircraft up, the FMGECs will not allow the thrust to remain insufficient for the pitch angle.

[Golfer]

Originally posted by Dago
I am not familiar with the A310, but the later Airbus aircraft do not have auto-throttle.  They have auto-thrust, and I dont believe (again not positive) that the A/GO button changes thrust, pretty sure it doesn't, but pitching the aircraft up, the FMGECs will not allow the thrust to remain insufficient for the pitch angle.

Duuuude when I took the CRJ to 410 dude we move the throttle and it opens up the carburetor and allows the go juice superfuel to mix with the air when the piston cranks the turbine and constant speed stator vane next to the tower shaft gearbox motorized dohickie.

Did you know that the A310 has 21,000 horse thrust shaft power?



You really say some goofball things sometimes Dago.  If I give you a hair would you split it for me?  Saying an airplane doesn't have autothrottles but it does have autothrust is fast approaching richard simmons silly.

FMGECs (F***ing Moronic Genius Envelope Computers) limit all sorts of things that you may or may not need should unusual situations not programmed into them are encountered.  Would I be happy picking my way through thunderstorms and come up against a wall when my precious pitch attitude is more than the 30 some odd degrees or bank exceeds 60...something not hard to do.  What then?  Does the computer surrender and shut down so my joystick turns into an oh s#!* stick?

Keep hanging by the thread.  Bottom line like Toad said:  If a pilot pushes the power levers forward and the engines don't spool...it's a bad design.

[Toad]

I never flew Airbus but are you saying that in a Cat III they don't engage autothrust? Surely not. And if/when they hit TO/GA on a missed Cat III autothrust doesn't add power?

[Neubob]

Three time's I've taken the Aeroflot flight from Moscow to Vladivostok, and three times back--each time on the same plane, an Airbus the good people of Aeroflot named 'Rachmaninov'. The plane rattled like a moracca as it took off, but, all in all, the flight went well. It helped immensely that I was able to bribe my way into business class for $100.

On two occasions, however, upon landing in Vladivostok, plastic panels from the cieling(different ones each time)  came loose and fell onto the heads of passangers. No serious injuries, no serious issues with the aircraft as these components were just non-essential interior trim. It is, however, an indication of how well these planes are maintained.

Perhaps the problem isn't with the plane, or the pilots, but with the people taking care of (or not taking care of) the airframe and instrumentation.

Then again, it may just be faulty programming.

[Toad]

That's maintenance. The ceiling panels don't fall down on Airbus aircraft here. If they do, it'd be a rare occurance, as rare as that happening on a Boeing.

[Wolfala]

I've flown Siber twice - fun airline. Gotta wait to see what the CVR says. But since there was TSRA in the area, i'm gonna guess a long landing and failed go around complicated by hydroplaning.

Would help if the field had a wind shear detection setup for microburst detection - Estel, does it??

Wolf

[Dago]

Originally posted by Golfer
Duuuude when I took the CRJ to 410 dude we move the throttle and it opens up the carburetor and allows the go juice superfuel to mix with the air when the piston cranks the turbine and constant speed stator vane next to the tower shaft gearbox motorized dohickie.

Did you know that the A310 has 21,000 horse thrust shaft power?



You really say some goofball things sometimes Dago.  If I give you a hair would you split it for me?  Saying an airplane doesn't have autothrottles but it does have autothrust is fast approaching richard simmons silly.

FMGECs (F***ing Moronic Genius Envelope Computers) limit all sorts of things that you may or may not need should unusual situations not programmed into them are encountered.  Would I be happy picking my way through thunderstorms and come up against a wall when my precious pitch attitude is more than the 30 some odd degrees or bank exceeds 60...something not hard to do.  What then?  Does the computer surrender and shut down so my joystick turns into an oh s#!* stick?

Keep hanging by the thread.  Bottom line like Toad said:  If a pilot pushes the power levers forward and the engines don't spool...it's a bad design.

This must be a troll, because a pilot who knew anything about advanced aircraft wouldnt speak such nonsense.  Of course, a pilot with a clue doesnt fly into or near thunderstorms.

BTW a week ago I was standing inside the inlet of a 112 inch fan engine.  Huge sucker.

And another BTW, the CRJ is just a primary trainer for jet pilots.  Best wishes on arriving some day.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Toad
I never flew Airbus but are you saying that in a Cat III they don't engage autothrust? Surely not. And if/when they hit TO/GA on a missed Cat III autothrust doesn't add power?

Sure they engage autothrust.  It is an integral part of the autoland system.  With an autoland system flying any published approach, the FMGECs will send signals to the EEC to provide proper thrust for the appropriate airspeed for that segment of the approach.  You can always choose to control thrust manually on an approach by operating the throttles manually, but that would be a rare situation as when the throttles are left in the climb detent with autothrust engaged the aircraft will fly the speeds dead nuts on all the way to the ground.  No pilot would ever be as good at it.

[Saintaw]

Originally posted by SOB
....I'd like Saw to have all of my hermaphroditic midget pr0n...I know he's the only one here who would truly appreciate it.

YESSSS!!!! *starts putting pins in Airbuss model/doll*