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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2006, 03:05:58 AM »
Ooops... i must have walked in the wrong room and ended up at the FAA :D


Loads of expurts here :)

(bows and walks back out)
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2006, 04:24:17 AM »
Dear god... so sorry to hear about that...
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2006, 05:59:15 AM »
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Would help if the field had a wind shear detection setup for microburst detection - Estel, does it??
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No as I remember. It's an old one site.
For now there are 2 versions.
1. Hydraulics failure with step failure of reverse and brakes.
2. Crew error in setting revers levers.
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2006, 08:31:09 AM »
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This must be a troll, because a pilot who knew anything about advanced aircraft wouldnt speak such nonsense.  Of course, a pilot with a clue doesnt fly into or near thunderstorms.

BTW a week ago I was standing inside the inlet of a 112 inch fan engine.  Huge sucker.

And another BTW, the CRJ is just a primary trainer for jet pilots.  Best wishes on arriving some day.


Well you're misinformed on a few counts.  If faced with a squall the usual drill is to go around it.  It's such a fluid and dynamic environment that's not always the only safe decision.  I've got no problem picking my way through scattered thunderstorms with a working radar.  If I'm flying in Florida then you pick the less of the evils and take the road with the least bumps.  Air mass thunderstorms don't pack the punch of the ones you get in the midwest

Oh...well good thing I don't fly the CRJ, Pencil jet or guppy killers then, eh?  The former was a dig at regional guys, you remember Pinnacle airlines crash in Jefferson City, right?  Sure...you know everything so you must.

Exactly what class would you put a Lear 35, anyway?  I mean you have of course never flown one, might know someone who has since there are a boatload of them out there and have a little heresay but that's it.  What experience can you draw on to criticize...nothing?  Oh, ok.

Ohhh well there are lots of clueless pilots out there flying for places like AirNet, FedEx and heck...American Airlines.

These Guys

And not all of those airplanes are Fedex.  Some are NorthWest, Delta, regional carriers and the like.  Dear god!
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2006, 05:04:47 PM »
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Exactly what class would you put a Lear 35, anyway?

 


Low end corporate jet.  Just above the early Citations.  Twenty years ago, it was a current market aircraft, but it is only a cheap ride now steered by those who would rather be in something bigger.
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2006, 05:06:31 PM »
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Saying an airplane doesn't have autothrottles but it does have autothrust is fast approaching richard simmons silly.



BTW, do you really not know the differance?  I don't have a handle on your level of experience with aircraft, so don't know if that was a lame joke or not.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2006, 06:15:42 PM »
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Low end corporate jet. Just above the early Citations. Twenty years ago, it was a current market aircraft, but it is only a cheap ride now steered by those who would rather be in something bigger.



I didn't mean in size, I meant in flying qualities.  The main quality:

Unforgiving.  If you aren't a good pilot when you get into it...you will be when you get out.  

Don't be under some illusion that everyone wants to fly the biggest airplanes around.  Don't be under the illusion that everyone wants to be an airline pilot.

The next step for me is my last job.  I'd say that makes where I am a pretty good place in life.  As long as the pay meets standards, the QOL is right and the perks are good...I can dig it.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2006, 06:58:55 PM »
So you agree that if it were all coupled up, hitting TOGA would result in an automatic application of G/A thrust?

That was my point.
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2006, 07:08:49 PM »
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Maybe the pilot hit the T/GA button. Or he decided he needed to Go around. Or he got confused on how the reverse works. I bet on the crew more than the plane.


Flight crew should disengage AT and AP on touchdown at the latest, which prevents auto features taking over on the ground. Although I'm not exactly certain on Airbus systems (particularly A300/310), I'm more familiar with how Boeing's work. Automation is somewhat different.
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2006, 07:15:39 PM »
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C'mon, fly Airbus computer-controlled planes, that turn on engines to take-off power for a go-around after a safe lading...


AFAIK A310 isn't like A32S series with automation, but more like 'traditional' jet like B767. Which makes it all funny to read comments faulting the Airbus automation, like in the case of low flying A32S failure.

I'm quite certain that it was either mistake by the pilots or a mechanical failure, but not the automation failure like many suggests. Mechanical failure would be probably credited to poor maintenance or spare parts from the blackmarket.
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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2006, 07:26:18 PM »
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So you agree that if it were all coupled up, hitting TOGA would result in an automatic application of G/A thrust?

That was my point.


I don't agree, as it depends on the design of the aircraft system.  My experience is more with the A320/330 series aircraft, not experienced on the 310.  On the 320/330 aircraft, you push the throttles to the TOGA position, and when you do that, the flight director command bars will be displayed.  There is no "TOGA" button that I know of.
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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2006, 08:12:06 PM »
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There is no "TOGA" button that I know of.


What's that little red button doing on the throttles then?



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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2006, 08:25:42 PM »
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What's that little red button doing on the throttles then?





That is the "Instinctive Disconnect Button" to disable autothrust.  There is one on each throttle lever for whichever pilot is the pilot flying (PF).

There is a similar "Instinctive Disconnect Button" on the sidestick to disconnect that autopilot.

Nice try, but I know that cockpit pretty well.
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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2006, 09:19:08 PM »
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On the 320/330 aircraft, you push the throttles to the TOGA position, and when you do that, the flight director command bars will be displayed.  There is no "TOGA" button that I know of.


So when you're flying a coupled approach and push the throttles to the TOGA position, what does the autopilot do? Nothing? Or fly a G/A profile?
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2006, 09:21:45 PM »
"Instinctive" disconnect? I think Boeing just calls them "disconnect". But "instinctive" does sound kewl.
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