Author Topic: Move Zig, for Great Justice! (Read 847 times)

Makarov9 · « **on:** July 10, 2006, 09:57:42 AM »

"Japan Considers Strike Against North Korea"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202752,00.html

Them boys play for keeps.

Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2006, 10:00:20 AM »

Well... the last time the Japanese chose to strike first it didn't turn out so well for them.

Yeager · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2006, 11:25:28 AM »

the last time the japanese struck first they didnt have the US as an ally

come on sandman, think deep

101ABN · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2006, 02:52:20 PM »

im sure that south korea is shiating kittens right now... japan fires rockets at N Korea, south gets invaded for it.. ha ha ha.... all the North is looking for is a reason to invade the south.. ha ha.. hold on kids, its going to be one heck of a ride.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2006, 06:47:49 PM »

You have no chance to survive make your time.

This IS going to be, uh, VERY interesting.

Rolex · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:01:31 PM »

That is not what was said. The headline from the original AP story that has been paraphrased and copied by other press is quite a reach, intended, I assume, to sensationalize this.

The issue Abe spoke to was a refresher on the constitutional and policy issue in general. Many people have forgotten, or are unaware, that Japan has had a policy that a pre-emptive strike against an imminent attack that could not be stopped after initiated was established in 1956, not now.

The issue he wanted discussed was that Japan has no capability to act on that policy, regardless of what nation it could be. Japan has no offensive capability to meet that requirement.

Discussing and addressing the question of building that capability, and framing it around the unusal constitutional situation and perception of the public in Japan, was his point.

Oh, how I hate the press more and more...

john9001 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:15:55 PM »

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Originally posted by 101ABN
im sure that south korea is shiating kittens right now... japan fires rockets at N Korea, south gets invaded for it.. ha ha ha.... all the North is looking for is a reason to invade the south.. ha ha.. hold on kids, its going to be one heck of a ride.

south korea has a 900,000 man army, well trained, well equipped, and WELL FED....HA HA.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:26:01 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
south korea has a 900,000 man army, well trained, well equipped, and WELL FED....HA HA.

In the position they are in that`s sort of like having a parking lot full of Vettes and Harleys with no gas anywhere in sight.
A little well laid Kaboom on launch sites and manufacturing facilities and it would be like stirring an ant`s nest up. Bunch of running around in circles and not much else.
Right now N.K. is playing e-bay, waiting for higher bids.

Bluefish · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:36:34 PM »

I just saw the following on the English language portion of a South Korean website:

“Seoul ‘Won’t Back UN Sanctions on N.Korea’” http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200607/200607100017.html

Based on that, and other indications that the South Koreans are rather more fond of their psychotic brethren to the North than they are of us (e.g., http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9632) it would seem the smart move for W might be:

a. To utilize this rupture as a justification to (quickly!) remove US troops from South Korea; and
b. To fully back Japan on this issue.

This would convert an almost insoluble operational problem (how to defend South Korea without horrendous US casualties) into a mere technical exercise (how to destroy any missiles/aircraft/canoes or whatever that the aforementioned NK nutjobs might lob at Japan). It would also have the eminently satisfying effect of dumping the whole North Korea mess squarely into the most interested laps (South Korea and China).

Firmly backing Japan in the Far East may be very similar to backing Israel in the Middle East: most of their neighbors hate them like poison, and for the same reason (the neighbors got their collective butts handed to them in the past). Much the same could be said for Turkey in their little corner of the world (and probably with better reason: Imperial Japan acted a lot more like Ottoman Turkey vis a vis the neighbors than like Israel). However, the smart money would probably be on any one of those three versus any collection of thugs from the same neighborhood.

My two cents, FWIW.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #9 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:44:03 PM »

I love Cox & Forkum

http://www.coxandforkum.com/

actually political cartoons go along ways to establish any type of mood. Funny how that happens

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2006, 08:39:36 PM »

The stories I read said Japan was asking the UN to take action, up to a pre-emptive strike. Not that they were planning anything themselves. I'm sure they've talked about it, but as Rolex pointed out they dont have the hardware necessary to effectively carry out an attack on another country. Besides that, I'm not exactly sure how their Constitution is worded (Rolex?) but I'm pretty sure they'd have to rewrite it to allow them to attack someone, even if they felt it was in self defense. Right now I believe that defense of their homeland is actually defined as being within their own borders.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2006, 08:52:36 PM »

Article 9 of the Constitution of Japan is a "No War" clause. It dates from 1947.

ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.
In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

All the more reason why this is going to be interesting to watch.

dmf · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:15:04 PM »

Money on Japan ( backed by the US of course)

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:17:28 PM »

Read it carefully though, they renounced WAR. Not the right to defend themselves, and thats how they've interpreted it over the years. Japan has well trained troops, a equivalent to our Coast Guard, and an air force as good as anyones ............ if you only consider fighters.

Plus they now have those new anti-missile missiles they have been developing jointly with the US Navy. I dont know how many they have, but I have to think its enough to handle whatever handful of missiles N. Korea could lob at them. If the N. Korean govt. was stupid enough to actually try to hit someone with one of those things that is. Even China wouldnt let them hide behind their skirts anymore if they actually tried to attack someone with one of those missiles. Right now China is about the only friend they have.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:22:04 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Read it carefully though, they renounced WAR. Not the right to defend themselves, and thats how they've interpreted it over the years. Japan has well trained troops, a equivalent to our Coast Guard, and an air force as good as anyones ............ if you only consider fighters.

Plus they now have those new anti-missile missiles they have been developing jointly with the US Navy. I dont know how many they have, but I have to think its enough to handle whatever handful of missiles N. Korea could lob at them. If the N. Korean govt. was stupid enough to actually try to hit someone with one of those things that is. Even China wouldnt let them hide behind their skirts anymore if they actually tried to attack someone with one of those missiles. Right now China is about the only friend they have.

That may be all they want to do is to shoot a few down. Missiles that is. That might be enought to enstill some national pride and save some international face.

I would probably agree with a concesous that Japan WILL NOT attack pre-emtively in any attack because the constitution forbids it and the people wont support it......not to mention what do they have to fight with.