Author Topic: Slavery Reparations Gaining Momentum (Read 1684 times)

Mustaine · « **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2006, 02:01:33 PM »

Minorities are only around to show us what happens if we don't go to work every day and do a good job.

lazs2 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 11, 2006, 02:25:20 PM »

I have allways felt that reparations and afirmative action and all the other forms of discrimiantion that the liberal socialists and the government force on us was....

purpose designed to keep people at each others throats and fighting amungst ourselves.... Most of us would gladly work alongside of another man of any race but...

We all hate the seeming whining of the prominent "leaders" of the races and the outlandish demands and such.

The result is that most of us would avoid any contact with people of other races if possible.

I know I do... simply not worth it. Nothing in common anymore. They want a different America than me. I want individualism and everyone treated equally under the law.

They want socialism and equality of result.

lazs

SirLoin · « **Reply #47 on:** July 11, 2006, 02:38:25 PM »

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I want individualism and everyone treated equally under the law.

That flies in the face of your view on gay marriage though don't it lasz..

Shuckins · « **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2006, 03:32:47 PM »

The only way this issue could gain any traction is if some pols see a way to make political hay out of it.

Which raises some interesting questions? Fascinating questions, actually.

What possible benefit could either party realize from this issue?

How can the Democratic Party, which has a decades long partnership with the black voter, take advantage of this without permanently alienating white, middle-class voters?

This voting group might leave the Democratic party in droves if reparations becomes reality.

Would such an issue drive a wedge between Black and Hispanic voters?

In what ways could the reparations issue hurt the Republicans...if at all? They certainly won't lose many Black voters...since less than ten percent of Blacks vote Republican anyway.

Black friends who I have discussed this issue with are leary of it. They just want a fair shot at earning an honest living for themselves and their families...they don't want a hand out...just a helping hand. Or, at the very least, that everyone get out of their way while they try to snare a portion of the American dream.

Bruno · « **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2006, 03:57:21 PM »

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In regards to your request of an example, I'm afraid I cannot give you one. This, however, does not preclude the possibility. The situation here is pretty unique, and some of the signs of positive change are there, if you look hard enough. Minorities are going seeking and receiving higher education, now more than ever, certain segments are also earning more.

The situation here is no more unique then it was anywhere else. Once the current 'minorities' come into real political power they will want to keep it. They will split along ethnic, class and regional lines. The numbers of those on top will always be smaller then those in the middle or on the bottom. In the struggle for power the demagogue will play the class card just as he uses the race card now. He will promise the bottom that the only reason they are at the bottom and kept there is because of the 'sell outs at the top'. Just as they continue to blame 'whitey' today and demand hand-outs as a form of 'justice' they will do the same against each other. Conflict between demagogues would be inevitable. It has been shown in the past that these people would just as well destroy what opportunities they have in the pursuit of instant gratification then to sacrifice for the future.

What kind of 'economy' and 'upward mobility' do you think there will be if the Federal Government starts paying out repartitions to whoever cries and whines the loudest? Corporations being extorted over things that happened over a hundred years ago. Not to mention the 'rich must pay there fair share, etc...'

All this plays well with the current 'minorities' and it will sound even better when it's the song of a demagogue of their own kind.

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Based on these facts,

I didn't see any facts, just a lot of wishful thinking. All we have to base our judgments on is on what has happened historically. No where has the transfer of power, as being discussed here, followed your model.

But that's not really my point. Chairboy played deaf, dumb, and blind looking for any opportunity to throw out the word 'racist'. Ultimately concluding that if anyone has any concern over the changing racial demographics within the US then that must mean they are racists. Well that maybe so, but these 'racists' have a whole host of references to base their concerns on. Dismissing them as 'racists' doesn't minimize their real concerns.

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I have to leave open the possibility that this will continue, and that as populations grow, proportionatly growing percentages will be achieving success in the old American Dream sense of the word.

Sure there's a possibility things might even get better but history does not back that up...

LePaul · « **Reply #50 on:** July 11, 2006, 04:41:04 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
That flies in the face of your view on gay marriage though don't it lasz..

So SirLoin wants to marry Richard Simmons? You go girl!

Sandman · « **Reply #51 on:** July 11, 2006, 05:07:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
The only way this issue could gain any traction is if some pols see a way to make political hay out of it.

Which raises some interesting questions? Fascinating questions, actually.

What possible benefit could either party realize from this issue?

How can the Democratic Party, which has a decades long partnership with the black voter, take advantage of this without permanently alienating white, middle-class voters?

This voting group might leave the Democratic party in droves if reparations becomes reality.

Would such an issue drive a wedge between Black and Hispanic voters?

In what ways could the reparations issue hurt the Republicans...if at all? They certainly won't lose many Black voters...since less than ten percent of Blacks vote Republican anyway.

Black friends who I have discussed this issue with are leary of it. They just want a fair shot at earning an honest living for themselves and their families...they don't want a hand out...just a helping hand. Or, at the very least, that everyone get out of their way while they try to snare a portion of the American dream.

Check it out... an informed opinion completely devoid of rancor or spite.

Well done.

cpxxx · « **Reply #52 on:** July 11, 2006, 05:41:56 PM »

Maybe this reparations thing might be a good idea. Those of you Americans with Irish ancestry might care to read this.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638

Yes, that's right, quite a few Irish were sent to the Americas as slaves.

Roll on the reparations gravy train!

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #53 on:** July 11, 2006, 06:46:52 PM »

Why am I hearing David Allen Coe songs in my head now?

BluKitty · « **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2006, 07:59:26 PM »

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Advocates who say black Americans should be compensated for slavery and its Jim Crow aftermath are quietly chalking up victories and gaining momentum.

Pleanty are alive that experianced Jim Crow and other forms of racism, includeing hate murders. Congress even refused to help protect returning service men of WWII from being lynched.

Ya .... that was 150+ years ago...

It's not just about slavery. So many of your argurements are moot.

Neubob · « **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2006, 08:32:46 PM »

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Originally posted by BluKitty
Pleanty are alive that experianced Jim Crow and other forms of racism, includeing hate murders. Congress even refused to help protect returning service men of WWII from being lynched.

Ya .... that was 150+ years ago...

It's not just about slavery. So many of your argurements are moot.

Hundreds of German/Jewish refugees were turned back after making the trans-atlantic voyage to America during the war, only to be recaptured and returned to the camps, most of them never to see the light of day again. To this day, Jews are regularly excluded from exclusive white country clubs all across the country. Jewish civil rights activists were lynched right alongside their black and white comarades in the deep south during the 50s and 60s.

During my high school days, I saw more than my fair share of subtle, and notso subtle hazing and prodding by my rich WASP classmates. I was made to feel alone, alienated and, at times, even threatened....

A few weeks ago, I saw a swastika on a temple just a few miles down the road, in our Nation's Capitol... And in other places, all around the nation and the world, Neo Nazism is alive and strong. In fact, in case you haven't heard, we secretly control the economy, the entertainment and the federal government.

Since the arguments agaisnt reparations are moot, I want to know, where's my damned money???

I'll tell you where it is...Last year, when I started the process of applying to Law School, I learned that if I'd belonged to a certain demographic, I could get into the top schools with lower LSAT scores and a lower GPA. Big surprise, my status as a Jew didn't help me one bit. If I were a black jew, however, I'd have gotten a full ride to UCLA LAW.

The reparations have been made, by private hands as well as public, in the form of numerous aids and crutches designed to 'give a helping hand' to the downtrodden. The result is what we have today, quotas, affirmative action and a ubiquotious excuse and rallying cry. And are we better off? Are the minorities better off?

Nobody living in this nation today deserves any guilt money, and until somebody founds the National Association for the Advancement of Everyone Else, it will remain so.

Shuckins · « **Reply #56 on:** July 11, 2006, 08:58:27 PM »

Laying aside all our natural sympathetic tendencies toward the sufferings of our fellow man, this is bad policy.

While using the term "slippery slope" is trite, it is nevertheless applicable here.

Not only is that slope steep, that sucker is greased.

The implications and possible consequences of implementation are staggering:

The hard-won gains in income of middle-class blacks and the respect of their white counterparts would be placed in jeopardy. A permanent split might open between the two groups.

A one-time payment would accomplish little and provide no incentive for lower class blacks to strive for economic and academic achievement. This class has suffered the disastrous, debilitating effects of an idiotic welfare policy, which has accomplished little aside from garnering votes for the pols who sponsored it.

In addition, a one-time payment would be unlikely to satisfy those elements in the black community that are addicted to the government tit. It would merely whet their appetite for more. A more likely form for reparations would likely be a long-term annual or monthly payment.

Who would pay for all this? The businesses who were involved in the fostering of slavery in the U.S.? White-people exclusively? All tax payers?

What happens when other ethnic groups, and there are a plethora of them, start demanding compensation for past wrongs. The Irish, Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Arabs, Egyptians, Lawyers, and Rednecks?

The costs would be monumental...and a deadly drain on the economy.

Leslie · « **Reply #57 on:** July 11, 2006, 11:43:35 PM »

Forcing apologies is a strong arm tactic and doesn't accomplish anything but more resentment. What bothers me most is universities apologizing for having a building on campus built by slaves. Instead of apologizing, the universities should be giving recognition to the contribution made by slaves, and emphasize the fine work they did. Slaves had many talents and this is what should be given credit imo. It bothers me that anything associated with slaves is automatically shunned, rather than being celebrated as a part of our heritage.

Les

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:12:45 AM »

sirloin.... I have no idea what your point is. marriage is not a human right. As such... laws can be made about it so long as everyone is equal under the law.

It is an institution that treats everyone the same. There are rules however. the rules are based on what the people paying the price think is worth rewarding.

One of those rules is that the marriage consist of a man and a woman together and faithful.

everyone is able to participate. I am single and do not want to get into that kind of a relationship so... I am just as "discriminated" against as any gay person... in fact.... more so... many gays can and have had married relationships with the opposite sex.

By your reasoning... no one could own property simply because they could afford it.... if titles to property were given out they would have to be given out equaly to everyone.

Good idea or bad.... marriage between man and a woman is what was the rule allmost everyone wanted... if gays want a marriage and the benifiets then they need to get their own form or.... put it up to the people to vote on. It is not a right and it is not a discrimination.

I will be glad to discuss the very simple facts of this with you in private if you are unable to understand what I have written here.

lazs

EN4CER · « **Reply #59 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:42:58 AM »

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I didn't read the article, how much money are we talking? If we pay will that put an end to welfare?

Pretty Funny - Good one!